Dunno if I'd call anyone a dumbass who chose or didn't care to pack heat everywhere they go. Let's do the math, in 2006 there were 9,369 murders, of which 68% where committed with firearms directly related. Total murders tallied up to 17,034 people...so 11,538 people were murdered by being shot thanks to the FBI website. Population in 2006 was somewhere right around 300 million so we lost .0038% of the population. That's roughly 1 in 25,000 chance of being murdered...over the course of a year. So by saying you are beating the odds by carrying a piece I assume you also have a full rollcage in your car and everyone wears helmets wherever you go, you probably shouldn't even ride a motorcycle, you don't smoke, drink, eat food that could lead to heart disease etc, etc, etc. See where I'm going? Practice what you preach. I don't carry regularly and probably never will. I'm not going to run around scared all my life of what may happen. Based on your logic you protect yourself and your family the best you can at any given time so one can only assume you take the same "precautions" throughout your daily life as you see it fit to carry a gun just in case you are that 1 in 25,000 person. The going odds of being struck by lightning over the course of your life is somewhere around 1 in 3000, better stay inside during a storm.

To put it a little more into perspective, in KY(back when it was universal law here to wear a helmet just to level the playing field) there were 6.5 deaths per 10,000 riders...that's with a helmet. Considering the population of kentucky is much lower than florida and the number of days in the motorcycle season as well as motorcycles on the road(somewhere just shy of a full year I'd assume) then I'd say your chances of getting splattered down there in FL are much greater. Basically you are 16 times more likely to be killed riding your motorcycle than to be shot and killed by a gun toting murderer. Better put her up for sale.

I'm not anti-gun but not gun crazy. I recreationally shoot a mossberg 835 12g.

florida...521 killed out of 582,750 registered bikes in 2006...that's 1 out of every 1120 bikers...so basically you are 22 times more likely to be crushed by some bitch talking on her cell phone in FL than to be murdered. Carrying a gun make you feel more safe now? I'd really like to see the numbers on deterred crime as a result of weekend warriors carrying.

 

i dont know what part of florida you have been to, but some of the places round here im bettin u wouldnt be caught in at any time of the day...i sure as hell wouldnt and i live here homie. and murder is not the only crime that is comitted...crimes range from carjacking and armed robery to horrible *** road rage. hell, st. petersburg (one of the cities that make up the tampa bay area) has had a lil spree lately of people takin a cab and shootin the cabby to death, dont remember if they took the money or not, assuming that they did tho. it was like 3 in one week. also, florida, for some reason, seams to attract every violent retard in the U.S. that is on the run from the cops. dont know why, but they always tend to end up down here. maybe they are tryin to get to cuba? imagine the look on the cats on the rafts comin from cuba that see a white dude going the other way...that would be some funny ****e.

anyways, not really tryin to make fl sound like the toughest place in the world, there are plenty more places that are as dangerous or even more dangerous. the point is, that just cause you might have a 1 in 25000 chance of bein popped, there are plenty of other crimes out there that you might be able to deter from being a victim of by carrying.

 

This is 2008 and things have changed and are changing for the worse. Everyday people are getting shot, robbed, car jacked, ect. ect. Seems thugs are getting more brazen and more desperate. So your 2006 stats don't mean **** to me. I wear a helmet everyday although I don't have to, to better my odds. Just like I pack everyday to better my odds. Your stats don't prove anything either, if I'm the .000000000001% of the population that gets murdered, don't you think thats too much. I do. To me there seems to be two types of people on this subject, those who see the potetial for situations and prepare accoridingly and those who have to wait for things to happen to them or a loved one before they react. Carrying and gun to me is like carrying a spare tire or a tool kit in my car.

 

And you guys are off topic ...

 

the point was A)he said you're a dumbass if you don't carry B)"My wife and two sons are more than worth it." Sounds more like protection from the worst possible scenario...murder. C)By saying you are better off carrying a piece, looking at the odds you are better off not riding a motorcycle really but nobody's fears that...why? Until I really see some numbers relating conceal and carry to deterrence of theft/physical attack/murder/rape/etc. I'm sticking with my logic and that is: If I am to be so worried about my own well-being then perhaps I should elminate other habits that may be more probable in being harmful to my well being of my daily life such as driving in the rain, driving at night on the weekend(drunks), riding a motorcycle as a daily form of commute, drinking pop, drinking booze, eating at mcD's...idk insert anything not good for you etc. I think there's more to carrying a gun than some may like to admit. If you're gonna go out like that (Stanley Safety) then might as well nip them all in the bud and not pick and choose which you think are more dangerous because the facts don't lie and a trend in the facts are pretty good representation of the real world we live in. You think Car Jacker Joe is gonna give you a second to grab your gun from inside your jacket when you have a .45 in your face? I'd hand over my car keys calmly and let him drive off than to "make a move" that ends up in my brain matter on the seat next to me...it's just a goddamn car. You think you're gonna bust up the big bank heist because you have a .38 in your jacket pocket? Not likely. When you watch the news and all you hear about is robbery, rape, physical attacks, heists, etc but then go an look at the numbers you'll be surprised that it's really not as bad as the media loves to make it out to be. Almost a let down when you have this notion that this world we live in. Wanna include other crimes...ok, out of 1,000 people 21 have filed some kind of report of a violent crime committed in 2005 in the entire country. When the time comes that you saved a busload of kids because you had your 1911 pm me all the juicy details.

As for this day and age...this day and age what, violent crime is on the downward last time I checked...while population is going up, up, up.


Perhaps we're a culture of fear or the fact that some people just can't live with the fact that someone got the best of them one day without revenge. I really have nothing wrong at all with conceal and carry, go for it, it's your right...(read: right, not obligation)as a US citizen but don't call me a dumbass for not jumping in or justify it poorly either by saying "oh well what if this, this, or this happens" then jump on your double r and bust 140 down the interstate(not saying you do but that's between you and yourself, if you can say you have never done anything stupid on your sportbike then kudos but I'll have a hard time believing...it's a fukin sportbike for cryin out loud). Ask yourself, would you really end someone's life for taking your television? Picture yourself coming downstairs to find someone taking your tv out the door, would you blow them in half with a 12g, really? Oh and I've been to St. Petersburg on vaca...pretty nice place with a lot of senior citizens, of course you'll have a handful of obscure violent crimes wherever you go but you can't tell when they're coming, to be effective really with a conceal and carry you have to expect someone will challenge your well-being at any given time. When the **** hits the fan it's not like the movies where **** is drawn out...usually over in seconds.

About 9/11...3000 people died because it was the first time a hijacking went like that, before it was "release so and so and we'll go quietly" You gonna tell me 100 something people on a plane couldn't have done a damn thing against a few box-cutter weilding terrorists because they didn't have semi-automatic weapons...sheesh. It went down because nobody expects the worse...ever, until it's too late. Sorry for the novel but I have strong beliefs. If you're gonna label me and everyone else who doesn't strap on the way to the store a dumbass you better have a good argument to stake such a claim.

 

wouldn't not riding all together better your odds...oh wait that's inconvenient because you like it. where's the data that supports your claim...The news? did they tell you things are more desperate or was it the homeland security advisory system? I think you're missing my point, carry your gun all you want but don't go and label anyone that doesn't cower in fear at the minute possibility something bad might happen a dumbass and if you do then you look awful hypocritical by not practicing that outlook in every facet of your life.

 

Yes, I suppose so...since they only have three percent of our land mass, but fully twenty percent of our population. Crime rate by nation is a fantasy of politics and a bastard child of statistics: true, but pointless. It makes no lasting impact to compare vastly different populations as a whole.

Go to Detroit or London and see where you die first...

 

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WELL you may not be anti-gun Inc. but I damn well would suggest that you're not pro-gun America are you.. I am physically comfortable with or without a firearm. Hell, I make my living Based on my skills with or without a firearm never consider a weapon more than a tool of the trade but there are individuals like WAC and ST and to some degree myself. That enjoytrue craftsmanship and quality of well made firearms. Just as a carpenter might admire a well made wood lay.. Your statistics are quite interesting, but they amount to ****.. because they do not taking into consideration the number one key factor behind them all the individual holding that firearm, who ultimately has the decision as to whether or not it is used properly or improperly . That is the issue that should be addressed. I guarantee you that I can physically send most individuals to their death was nothing more than my bare hands. And I'm absolutely confident, armed in any fashion. Most individuals stand little to no chance. It is only sound reasoning, good judgment and the laws of the land that prevent a plethora of individuals such as myself from committing atrocities upon the general population. Let's see the statistics on the individuals themselves, who used these weapons to commit murder and discuss that or are you suggesting that the weapon itself is its master's keeper

 

I guess thats funny if you're black and insecure about your postion in life but since its as inaccurate as anything can get....its just insulting to and prejudice against the white race.