what is the best chain lube to buy???
#71
05-02-2009, 10:11 AM
Wrong again. Just a few posts ago Juliet said her manual told her to use gear oil. Page 151 in my 2007 CBR1000RR owners manual reads, "Lubricate only with SAE 80 or 90 gear oil." How many chain manufacturers are telling you to use gear oil on their O-ring chains? I've yet to find one.
The forum has put an amazing amount of effort into belittling me, but seemingly no effort to discuss the actual, real world results. So I ask again- How many of you are getting over 20,000 miles out of a chain?
If WD-40 is so bad, so inferior then how did I get so many miles out of my last chain with so little wear? Until someone can explain that, this is far from settled.
The forum has put an amazing amount of effort into belittling me, but seemingly no effort to discuss the actual, real world results. So I ask again- How many of you are getting over 20,000 miles out of a chain?
If WD-40 is so bad, so inferior then how did I get so many miles out of my last chain with so little wear? Until someone can explain that, this is far from settled.
#72
05-02-2009, 12:54 PM
#73
05-02-2009, 01:41 PM
Ignoring a manufacturer's recommendation isn't necessarily bad.
#74
05-02-2009, 03:16 PM
Well I would say either is fine to use :-) ... I just prefer gear oil, it's what my dad always used and swore by it, Honda recommend it for their bike chains too ... it's cheap and easy to apply out the bottle with the tube supplied and I did over 25,000 miles on my first 600 F2 and never replaced the chain, I didn't measure it or anything but it was still smooth to ride and had lots of adjustement left too ... I also believe the commercially available O ring safe chain lubes are fine also ... a chain does need something a bit thicker than normal or thin oil as it's heavy duty and is hard on the lubricant ... I do put my long chain life down to my regular cleaning as much as my "little and often" approach with gear oil :-)
If you don't clean the chain regularly all that road grime and grit mixed with your lube of choice makes a great grinding paste ... so cleaning regularly is a biggie ..so many people just lube and lube and lube without hardly ever actually cleaning the chain ...
Jules
If you don't clean the chain regularly all that road grime and grit mixed with your lube of choice makes a great grinding paste ... so cleaning regularly is a biggie ..so many people just lube and lube and lube without hardly ever actually cleaning the chain ...
Jules
#75
05-02-2009, 06:13 PM
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You gettim Jules... 
lol
Om worn out
Ar hu...I wondered who was lookin over my shoulder kiddolol
Bugger it !! I cant take any more
Om buying 24 gals of WD40 and dippin me whole bloody bike in it ... might spray it on me leathers too , just to make sure I slip through the wind as well..
and fvuckit... om fitting a spayer to the front of my CBR to spray the bloody road ahead of me to lessen the friction on me tires and increace my mileage from a tank of gas too.. :-)
yer yer ..its time for me pills ....
lolOm worn out
so many people just lube and lube and lube without hardly ever actually cleaning the chain ...
Ar hu...I wondered who was lookin over my shoulder kiddo
lolBugger it !! I cant take any more
Om buying 24 gals of WD40 and dippin me whole bloody bike in it ... might spray it on me leathers too , just to make sure I slip through the wind as well..
and fvuckit... om fitting a spayer to the front of my CBR to spray the bloody road ahead of me to lessen the friction on me tires and increace my mileage from a tank of gas too.. :-)
yer yer ..its time for me pills ....
Last edited by CBRclassic; 05-02-2009 at 06:24 PM.
#76
05-02-2009, 07:06 PM
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Wrong again. Just a few posts ago Juliet said her manual told her to use gear oil. Page 151 in my 2007 CBR1000RR owners manual reads, "Lubricate only with SAE 80 or 90 gear oil." How many chain manufacturers are telling you to use gear oil on their O-ring chains? I've yet to find one. (((way to contradict yourself in one sentence)))
The forum has put an amazing amount of effort into belittling me, but seemingly no effort to discuss the actual, real world results. So I ask again- How many of you are getting over 20,000 miles out of a chain?
If WD-40 is so bad, so inferior then how did I get so many miles out of my last chain with so little wear? Until someone can explain that, this is far from settled.(((maybe you ride like a girl, maybe you got one really good chain, etc etc, and the "little wear"? I highly doubt after reading your posts that you actually know how to accurately gauge chain wear)))
The forum has put an amazing amount of effort into belittling me, but seemingly no effort to discuss the actual, real world results. So I ask again- How many of you are getting over 20,000 miles out of a chain?
If WD-40 is so bad, so inferior then how did I get so many miles out of my last chain with so little wear? Until someone can explain that, this is far from settled.(((maybe you ride like a girl, maybe you got one really good chain, etc etc, and the "little wear"? I highly doubt after reading your posts that you actually know how to accurately gauge chain wear)))
""Thank you for contacting the WD-40 Company with regards to using WD-40 on o-rings. WD-40 is a multi-purpose light lubricating oil, which will displace water and moisture from the chain. The "WD" stands for water displacement and acts as a rust preventative on any metal surface. WD-40 will not dry out the rubber o-rings. We have found no visible effects on the surface of rubber and o-rings. Certain types of rubber will swell under prolonged immersion in WD-40 (this refers to long soaking and not just a spray).
WD-40 is also a cleaner, which will remove grime, dirt, tape, bumper stickers and oil. It is possible that if there is a special lubricant in the o-rings, WD-40 could act as a cleaner and remove that oil. The special
lubricant would be replaced with WD-40.
We are sure there are superior heavy-duty chain lubes on the market. There are several people who recommend using WD-40 on their chains, Perhaps some experimenting with WD-40, as a water remover and rust preventative followed by a heavier chain lube would fit your needs. The bottom line is WD-40 will not harm your o-rings, but it could remove a lubricant that was previously applied to the chain.
Thank you again for contacting the WD-40 Company. Please let us know if we may be of further assistance." "
lubricant would be replaced with WD-40.
We are sure there are superior heavy-duty chain lubes on the market. There are several people who recommend using WD-40 on their chains, Perhaps some experimenting with WD-40, as a water remover and rust preventative followed by a heavier chain lube would fit your needs. The bottom line is WD-40 will not harm your o-rings, but it could remove a lubricant that was previously applied to the chain.
Thank you again for contacting the WD-40 Company. Please let us know if we may be of further assistance." "
Or Webbikeworld,
"
So how do motorcyclists clean their chains? I wish I knew... I find it hard to believe that everyone removes their chain every 200 miles and soaks it in kerosene. We always used WD-40 in the shop until an aerospace engineer (who is a chief airplane crash investigator for the National Transportation Safety Board) told us that this wasn't a very good idea because it displaces the grease in the chain's O- or X-rings.
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So how do motorcyclists clean their chains? I wish I knew... I find it hard to believe that everyone removes their chain every 200 miles and soaks it in kerosene. We always used WD-40 in the shop until an aerospace engineer (who is a chief airplane crash investigator for the National Transportation Safety Board) told us that this wasn't a very good idea because it displaces the grease in the chain's O- or X-rings.
Or,
"One problem with WD-40 is that the lubrication system is a very light mineral oil. Much too light for service on motorcycle chains (but fine for many other applications). This is where most people run into trouble with WD-40. They remove a heavy lube (90 WT or grease) and replace it with a light mineral oil. "
Nevermind, I'm sure you know better than all of them. Or the thousands of other pieces of company posted information, forum posts, etc etc that I could dredge up. Your right, everyone else is wrong. I actually found out I was wrong about one thing, you got me there, apparently it won't dry out the o-rings and ruin them as bad as I thought, but everything else about it was right, and a bunch of new reasons not to use it have come to light.
So thanks, I've learned something through this thread. For some reason I can't imagine you can say the same.
Last edited by Hangfire; 05-02-2009 at 07:18 PM.
#77
05-02-2009, 07:17 PM
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I was pointing out the discrepancy between Honda and the O-ring chain manufacturers as to what lube is recommended. Honda says use to ONLY gear oil and that commercial chain lubricants may damage O-rings. Chain manufacturers tell you to use a (commercially made) O-ring safe chain lubricant. So who's advise do you follow?
Ignoring a manufacturer's recommendation isn't necessarily bad.
Ignoring a manufacturer's recommendation isn't necessarily bad.
"Lubricate only with SAE 80 or 90 gear oil.
Commercial chain lubricants may contain
solvents which could damage the rubber O-rings."
solvents which could damage the rubber O-rings."
Which is Why O-Ring Safe has been stressed over and over again in this thread. Regardless, you have two recommendations, from the manufacturer of the bike, and the chain maker, both are good and both will work well, so why are you so fixated on doing something else? And please stop taking information out of context and attempting to apply it to your arguement.
By the way, WD-40? Does contain solvents...... You can't use one sentence from something to try to prove a point when the rest of the paragraph hurts your arguement. It's just silly and you've done it time and time again in this thread. Regardless this time I actually am done with this. This is just getting silly at this point.
Last edited by Hangfire; 05-02-2009 at 07:21 PM.
#78
05-02-2009, 08:03 PM
If WD-40 actually hurt O-rings or displaced/removed/dissolved the grease behind them, RK wouldn't recommend putting it on your chain.
If WD-40 actually hurt O-rings or displaced/removed/dissolved the grease behind them, a chain would not go 20,000 miles with minimal wear.
Where have I contradicted myself or misrepresented something by taking it out of context? Be concise and don't try to address more than one point at a time.
If WD-40 actually hurt O-rings or displaced/removed/dissolved the grease behind them, a chain would not go 20,000 miles with minimal wear.
Where have I contradicted myself or misrepresented something by taking it out of context? Be concise and don't try to address more than one point at a time.
#79
05-03-2009, 09:46 AM
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Bugger it !! I cant take any more
Om buying 24 gals of WD40 and dippin me whole bloody bike in it ... might spray it on me leathers too , just to make sure I slip through the wind as well..
and fvuckit... om fitting a spayer to the front of my CBR to spray the bloody road ahead of me to lessen the friction on me tires and increace my mileage from a tank of gas too.. :-)
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05-03-2009, 11:00 AM
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Like I said 75w-90 Royal Purple till I run out then regular Walmart brand Dino oil 85w-90.
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