i can get mine up in 2nd w/o clutching or bouncing on the sit downs and i am sure i can do it on the stand ups they just dont come up as quick on the stand ups and you run out of gear.... -1 front 520 conversion... 2 brothers exhaust ... if you cant do it hit the gym hahaha...

 

LOL yeah. I need to start working out cause these standups are killing my arms and legs for that matter. But yeah I get my 2nd gear standups up without clutching. Yes a 600 does have enough power to get it up without clutching. I can do sitdowns without clutching it too, but I don't anymore. I'm also -1 with stock 525 otherwise.

-Jesse-

 

can either of you guys slow them down yet? thats when you know that you're gettin BP...and how much brake are you guys using to control your wheelies?

also, are you standing staggered?

 

I'm staggered. I feel more in control with a foot on the back to balance, a foot on the brake to balance, and both hands up front for control.


My summary of this thread:

-Stand up's are easier, smoother, and you have a better view of the road ahead.

-Staggered gives you more control and stability.

-Don't pull on the handlebars, or bounce (in general, for the starters) You can pull unevenly and end up with the dreaded tankslap.

-Clutching is easier on the tranny and more consistant.

-Clutching is more controlable once you get it up.

-Once you find the Balace Point (BP) use the rear brake to ride longer wheelies. If it comes up too fast, rear brake and catch it before you loop over.

-Don't use the throttle to control wheelies. On these bikes, it's too touchy.

-Stay on the throttle slightly on the landing, keep the wheels moving.

-Always wear your gear when doing wheelies.

-A tap of the helmet means police.

 

very good summary...

 

-Clutching is more controlable once you get it up.
-Once you find the Balace Point (BP) use the rear brake to ride longer wheelies. If it comes up too fast, rear brake and catch it before you loop over.
-Stay on the throttle slightly on the landing, keep the wheels moving.
-Always wear your gear when doing wheelies.
-A tap of the helmet means police.
i would agree with them.....^^^^^
not so much with these and i will tell you what i think
-Stand up's are easier, smoother, and you have a better view of the road ahead. i dont know that they are easier
-Staggered gives you more control and stability. i guess if you like it fine, i dont like it and dont find any real advantage to it...
-Don't pull on the handlebars, or bounce (in general, for the starters) You can pull unevenly and end up with the dreaded tankslap. keep the bars straight and you wont have a problem, there is no easy way to do a wheelie you just have to do things right...
-Clutching is easier on the tranny and more consistant. i dont think clutching is easier on anything, i can do them w/o the clutch all day but when i start using the clutch alot i can warm it up and make it slip like crazy if i dont do it right...but it is more consistant
-Clutching is more controlable once you get it up. i would say that it is harder if anything to clutch it up (then just using power) but when you have it down it is better.. i would not recomend a newbie to wheelies trying to clutch it up. your just asking to loop. the only advantage to clutching it is it comes up fast and you dont run out of gear...

-Don't use the throttle to control wheelies. On these bikes, it's too touchy. i use the throttle in 1st and 2nd. its touchy in first , not to bad in sencond but u still have to use the throttle....

 

Im not trying to be a dick but your view on wheelies are way off man especially for the way your doing them in that vid. Stand ups are way easier then sitdowns, they are way easier to steer and you can balance it more with your body leaning back/ forward ect...
The advantage of staggered is that you have more weight towards the back of the bike and you can lock your legs and lean back like you should be in a wheelie.
Your riding the clutch out and not dropping it like you should. My clutch has never been overheated or stated slipping after multiple lauch ups. There was a write up on stuntlife.com explaining the strain on the tranny maybe you can go search for it.
Clutch ups are way safer for learning with power wheelies you end up chasing wheelies and that will make you loop it way faster with a wind gust or bump in the road.
You do not control a wheelie with your throttle. You use your brake and lean with your body if you can keep your thottle even you will have no headshake or a choppy looking wheelie. I suggest you go to stuntlife and read up some info on wheelies and watch a bunch of their movies to see their body positioning and launch ups

 

I don't think there is a right or wrong way, and I especially dont buy into reading a website as a reference. He's speaking from his experience, what he does. Everyone does things differently, that's just the way he does it. I do agree that using the clutch is the best way, but if he prefers without, no need to call him out and tell him he's wrong, or way off. And me personally, I do not use the brake and lean to keep control of the wheelie, I use a lot of throttle too to help control it.

 

if you use the throttle, you're gonna have choppy wheelies and thats what makes the bike sway back and forth...if you want to have a very nice and controllable wheelie then you better learn how to control it with the brake..

as for reading a website as a reference, why not go to a website with probably the largest group of stunters on the planet, and take advice from the guys that do this professionally and have been doing it for a hell of a lot longer than you. guys that have been down and know why....my .02

 

Ok I just got on this forum looking for some technical advise and I saw this thread...turboedsupe has the right idea but every one else doing power wheelies on the front pegs is dangerous and well it just looks stupid. Also if you are tugging on the bars when you bring it up you are gonna end up setting it down crooked and getting a nasty tank slapper. Clutchin it is way safer and you have so much more control. When you are doing power wheelies it takes all that power to bring it up and then if you hit bp and have a handfull of throttle your gonna loop especially if your not covering the brake which is alot harder to do when your on the front pegs. Do them staggered and you won't get tired as fast and you can work the brake easier but don't try to power it up staggered cause you will crash you need to clutch it...and saying that you shouldn't wheelie in first is stupid I tought my friend how to wheelie on his 600rr in the lot we stunt at in 1st gear and he was catching idle in a month and he crashed a couple times but nothing major and its alot better to go down in 1st in a parking lot then on the highway at 80mph. Also if your having trouble bringing it up second just clutch it harder cause that f4i will come up in 3rd all day long on the highway. I can't stress enough COVER THE BRAKE!!!! and if you are new to riding in general get completely familiar and comfortable on the bike before you start trying to wheelie..If you don't agree with me whatever I dont't really care but I have been doing this stuff since 98 and have seen alot of really bad wrecks on the highway from people not doing stuff correctly so just be safe...