so what are you teaching him by telling him to go behind his parents back?

- that he doesnt have to follow the rules.
- that he doesnt have to respect peoples wishes and that he can do as he pleases
- its all right to be sneeky

 

who said go behind his back .. dont lie about it, tell the dad he is gettinga bike . you keep assuming im encouraging him to lie and be sneeky which im not. and about him respecting other peopels wishes what about what he wants ? what makes his dad so right about him not getting a bike and please someone come up with somethng more original then "his house, his rules.. if he doesnt like it then get out"

and lets look at this the OP said he has been riding quads and dirtbikes for a while (even though not on the street) and the dad said not untill he is 21.. so what changes between it being a street bike and 2 years ? if he will be ok in 2 years why isnt it ok now. if he is still living @ hoem when he is 21 it will be A-ok with pops , so obviously dad isnt totally opposed to the idea.

 

when i first posted this it was to the people telling him to undermind his parents not you specificly there other people posting in this thread you know . you came back at me about it so......


again like i said maybe his dad knows more about him then you do? maybe he is a spaz, maybe he has no balance, maybe he is prone to making rash descisions , maybe he is irresponisible ect. and based on this his dad doesnt want him to have a bike

by the way buying a helmet and "gear" taking a motorcycle safty course doesnt tell me someone is resposible it just says someone took the motorcycle safty course and bought a helmet.

i rode dirt bikes and quades for years before i bought the f4i. quad and motorcycles are same. dirt bikes and motorcycles may seem the same and but its not the same at least to me it wasn't. what diffrent about riding a motorcycle then a diffrent the fact that there are cars on the road and every rider knows that cars are probly one of the most dangerus things to us.

i dont knot the kid or the father so i dont know what the father thinks will change in two years. but i do know this his parents know him better then us. and some times there more to a storie then people tell us. maybe a family memeber had a bad motorcycle accident maybe a family member died in one maybe 1000 reasons that he doesnt want HIS son to have this bike the fact that its his son though gives him the ablitity two say no. but who knows maybe his dad is just hoping hill grow out of it some things are just stadges in peoples lifes.

all you keep saying is that how do i know his father isnt wrong? and all im saying is dont tell him to undermind his parent or go behind there back. besides when im answering a question you ask me. i never said the kid shouldnt try and work it out with his old man to try and get a bike.

oh by the way i like how you completly ignored my question to you and changed the subject
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Sorry, but had to post again on this.

I looked at his signature and he lives just southwest of me actually. The area where he lives is growing FAST and there are a lot of cars on the road at times there. I also don't know what college is in Medina, so he's probably driving a bit to get to class either in Akron, or in Clevelandand in rush hour traffic at that.

He's only got $5k to spend and he wants an RR or another CBR that is affordable toa college student. He still hasn't said who is paying for his car, insurance, classes, etc. If his parents are paying for all that why should anyone expect them to also say it's OK for him to buy a bike. If heisn't already working and paying for your stuff, what makes him think he could actually afford a bike? And him being 18 doesn't mean a thing. Most of us were all stupid at 18 and our parents really did know better. If he wants the bike, he can find his own place or maybe go in with some freinds and rent an apartment. I wonder if him being 21 means he'll be out of college and out of the house? As a parent I only know that I wouldn't not want to worry about my kid never coming back home because of some mishap that I could have helped avoid. If he is out of the house, at least you know that you've raised your son and he's made his way out into the world.

 

So, if the "kid" is over 18 this means he is an "adult". And why does an adult go onto the internet to ask how to deal with daddy? Are we all licensed therapists now?

Like I said earlier this proves he is not ready for adult responsibility as this question is stupid to pose to unknowns.
If you want a bike, then buy it. But dealing with your parents is then your issue not ours. Did I always listen to my parents? No. But I didn't walk down the street and ask every stranger I saw (pre-internet) if they thought I should do this or that. Advice is one thing, but this advice should come from someone closer to the situation; friends, relatives, neighbors, classmates etc. And again, he doesn't need strangers to tell him to hide this from his family. Do it and do it openely. Do not hide anything from your family. But it's still your decision.

 

So, I'm kind of curious to hear from the kid again, he's got a lot of responses but has said nothing more. Seems like a hot button issue, and everyone has their own opinions, but what is right in any situation is dependent on what the variables are that no one really knows but him and his dad.

Have you made up your mind yet crawler?

 

im not on one side or the other. but to all the people telling him to just go get it.....(excluding compulady5), if he just goes and gets a bike and parks it in the garage/driveway, his dad can walk out w/ a giant chain and cable lock and that bike STILL could sit until he's 21.

and i agree w/ what was said earlier, which i too brought up a few pages back...........there could be something in the fathers past that keeps him from wanting his son to get a bike. not saying i agree w/ any of this....just my 2cents

 

So let's review the lines of thought:

1) Eat **** kid...parents are always rightand you can shove any dreams of a bike
2) Get the bike, hide it in a cave, and hope you don't get in an accident...or caught by dad
3) Eat **** dad...get the bike and park it in the driveway in open defiance of the rules
4) Make steps to show you want to be a responsible, safe rider and see how it goes (gear, MSF, CBR Forum , etc)

...I'm going with option four.