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Old Feb 9, 2024 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Connella08
unless there is something wrong with my bike, I believe you are mistaken. I have a 1999 CBR600F4 and when I turn the key to the on position on a cold start, I can hear the fuel pump prime.
I very well could be, it is unusual to have a pump prime on a carbed bike as there is fuel in the float bowls so can start and run without a pump (even just gravity fed) unlike an injected bike needing the pump to generate the pressure and fuel flow. Could possibly have been over engineering from Mr Honda
 
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Old Feb 9, 2024 | 11:34 AM
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Ohh, needs a bit of TLC that one...
 
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Old Feb 9, 2024 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Al1040
I very well could be, it is unusual to have a pump prime on a carbed bike as there is fuel in the float bowls so can start and run without a pump (even just gravity fed) unlike an injected bike needing the pump to generate the pressure and fuel flow. Could possibly have been over engineering from Mr Honda
the only reason for the pump is to keep the bowls filled under higher RPM's. the only issue is that it can become a restriction if it fails. I thought it was odd to have a fuel pump on a carbed bike too until I put thought in it, and now it makes a lot of sense. now, lets say you pull your carbs off to clean them and when you reassemble everything, the bowls are empty. would it be easier to have a fuel pump prime at key-on? or would you rather rely on gravity to try and push fuel through the pump to fill the bowls? I would think that from a reliability stand-point, the prime at key-on just makes sense.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2024 | 02:50 PM
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I personally don’t see point of pump for carby bikes. Previous generations didn’t have one. I’ve converted my F4s and VFRs to gravity-feed without any problems.

Prime on start is variable too. If bowls are filled from previous ride, pump might not even move full-stroke before turning off, so you won’t hear anything. After carb pull, yeah you won’t have anything in float bowls, so pump may run for second or 2 to fill bowls.

You can do final functional test of pump:

1. Disconnect hose from carbs and aim into measuring cup
2. Key ON, start/stop=RUN
3. Press START for 10s

How much petrol did pump flow?
 

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Old Feb 9, 2024 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by dannoxyz
I personally don’t see point of pump for carby bikes. Previous generations didn’t have one. I’ve converted my F4s and VFRs to gravity-feed without any problems.

Prime on start is variable too. If bowls are filled from previous ride, pump might not even move full-stroke before turning off, so you won’t hear anything. After carb pull, yeah you won’t have anything in float bowls, so pump may run for second or 2 to fill bowls.

You can do final functional test of pump:

1. Disconnect hose from carbs and aim into measuring cup
2. Key ON, start/stop=RUN
3. Press START for 10s

How much petrol did pump flow?
I will do a pump test tomorrow,

Just out of interest to convert to gravity im guessing i would just bypass the fuel pump.
Tank - fuel filter - carbs ?

also assuming that then if the fuel relays were at fault it wouldn't mater as the fuel pump wouldn't be needed
 
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Old Feb 9, 2024 | 04:07 PM
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yeah, just leave pump & relay as is.

Trick to converting to gravity-feed is to shorten hoses as much as possible. And keep hose-run as vertical as possible without any downward loops where fuel has to go uphill to reach carbs.

Here’s an example. Short with no down/up sections. Maybe just 5” of hose between petcock to carbs.

 
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Old Feb 9, 2024 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by dannoxyz
yeah, just leave pump & relay as is.

Trick to converting to gravity-feed is to shorten hoses as much as possible. And keep hose-run as vertical as possible without any downward loops where fuel has to go uphill to reach carbs.

Here’s an example. Short with no down/up sections. Maybe just 5” of hose between petcock to carbs.

thank you i might have a look at doing this, did you unplug the power connector on the pump to stop it trying to run ?
 

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Old Feb 9, 2024 | 10:05 PM
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Yeah, just unplug pump and relays.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2024 | 06:13 PM
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My '99 does that also!
 
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