1998 Bad battery? Bad starter? Something else?
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1998 Bad battery? Bad starter? Something else?
I've been chasing this problem with my '98 for several months, and it's completely baffling me: I can't tell if I have (two) bad batteries, a bad starter, a bad charging system, or some other voodoo electrical problem.
With a fully charged battery, the bike starts and runs totally fine. After about two trips out and back to work (~23 miles round trip), the battery appears to be dead, and the bike either turns over very slowly or doesn't turn over at all.
If I get it home and drop it on the charger, it appears to charge fully in anywhere from ten minutes to two hours. Mostly, checking it on the charger shows that it charges in about ten minutes. The charger shows "25%" for like two minutes, the "50%" for about two minutes, then "75%", then "100%". It *can't* possibly be fully charging a dead battery that fast.
Most recently, I rode about ten miles for lunch and the bike ran fine. I parked in the parking lot and turned the key off, then, just to test, turned the key back on and hit the starter button and got nothing but clicks from the starter.
Not trusting my bike any more, I had started carrying the second battery with me and the tools to change it. Went and had lunch (I was already there, after all), then changed the "dead" battery out with the charged spare, and the bike started right up and ran fine all the way home. Checked the "dead" battery with the multimeter when I got home and it read 12.5V. IDGI.
The smart charger indicates that the battery is healthy, (The guys at the battery shop indicated the same thing -- The battery tests "healthy". I bought a second battery just in case the first battery was somehow mysteriously actually bad, despite testing as healthy.)
If I hook up a multimeter to the battery in the bike, I get the followup voltages at the indicated stages:
- Key off: 12.54V
- Key on, not started: 11.96 V
- Idling: 13V
- 5K RPM: 13.5V
As far as I can tell, this indicates a charging system that's working correctly. Except the battery doesn't appear to actually be charging.
The batteries I'm using are made by "XTreme", and are "AGM Tech" batteries. The model is a "XTAX9-B5" battery, rated as 12V and 8.5Ah.
The smart charger is a NOCO "genius G3500 v2" charger.
Any ideas what's actually wrong, or what tests I can do to figure out what's wrong? I'm stumped, can't think of anything that gives this behavior.
With a fully charged battery, the bike starts and runs totally fine. After about two trips out and back to work (~23 miles round trip), the battery appears to be dead, and the bike either turns over very slowly or doesn't turn over at all.
If I get it home and drop it on the charger, it appears to charge fully in anywhere from ten minutes to two hours. Mostly, checking it on the charger shows that it charges in about ten minutes. The charger shows "25%" for like two minutes, the "50%" for about two minutes, then "75%", then "100%". It *can't* possibly be fully charging a dead battery that fast.
Most recently, I rode about ten miles for lunch and the bike ran fine. I parked in the parking lot and turned the key off, then, just to test, turned the key back on and hit the starter button and got nothing but clicks from the starter.
Not trusting my bike any more, I had started carrying the second battery with me and the tools to change it. Went and had lunch (I was already there, after all), then changed the "dead" battery out with the charged spare, and the bike started right up and ran fine all the way home. Checked the "dead" battery with the multimeter when I got home and it read 12.5V. IDGI.
The smart charger indicates that the battery is healthy, (The guys at the battery shop indicated the same thing -- The battery tests "healthy". I bought a second battery just in case the first battery was somehow mysteriously actually bad, despite testing as healthy.)
If I hook up a multimeter to the battery in the bike, I get the followup voltages at the indicated stages:
- Key off: 12.54V
- Key on, not started: 11.96 V
- Idling: 13V
- 5K RPM: 13.5V
As far as I can tell, this indicates a charging system that's working correctly. Except the battery doesn't appear to actually be charging.
The batteries I'm using are made by "XTreme", and are "AGM Tech" batteries. The model is a "XTAX9-B5" battery, rated as 12V and 8.5Ah.
The smart charger is a NOCO "genius G3500 v2" charger.
Any ideas what's actually wrong, or what tests I can do to figure out what's wrong? I'm stumped, can't think of anything that gives this behavior.
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From: Bir Tawil
Sounds like a bad R/R.
The diodes in the R/R get weak and let power flow backwards, discharging the battery.
If the battery holds a charge when disconnected from the bike, I would suspect a bad R/R.
The diodes in the R/R get weak and let power flow backwards, discharging the battery.
If the battery holds a charge when disconnected from the bike, I would suspect a bad R/R.
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TimBucTwo: Sounds good. My next step was going to be to replace it anyway, just out of a sense of "Well, what *else* can I replace that might be it?", but this gives me a plausible understanding for *why* it fixed it. Thanks -- I'll let you know how it goes once the r/r gets here and I swap it.
74demon: Good idea -- Do you know of any good bluetooth-capable meter units I could mount to the battery and check with my phone? Thanks for the suggestion.
74demon: Good idea -- Do you know of any good bluetooth-capable meter units I could mount to the battery and check with my phone? Thanks for the suggestion.
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Battery issue fix (MAYBE)
I've been chasing this problem with my '98 for several months, and it's completely baffling me: I can't tell if I have (two) bad batteries, a bad starter, a bad charging system, or some other voodoo electrical problem.
With a fully charged battery, the bike starts and runs totally fine. After about two trips out and back to work (~23 miles round trip), the battery appears to be dead, and the bike either turns over very slowly or doesn't turn over at all.
If I get it home and drop it on the charger, it appears to charge fully in anywhere from ten minutes to two hours. Mostly, checking it on the charger shows that it charges in about ten minutes. The charger shows "25%" for like two minutes, the "50%" for about two minutes, then "75%", then "100%". It *can't* possibly be fully charging a dead battery that fast.
Most recently, I rode about ten miles for lunch and the bike ran fine. I parked in the parking lot and turned the key off, then, just to test, turned the key back on and hit the starter button and got nothing but clicks from the starter.
Not trusting my bike any more, I had started carrying the second battery with me and the tools to change it. Went and had lunch (I was already there, after all), then changed the "dead" battery out with the charged spare, and the bike started right up and ran fine all the way home. Checked the "dead" battery with the multimeter when I got home and it read 12.5V. IDGI.
The smart charger indicates that the battery is healthy, (The guys at the battery shop indicated the same thing -- The battery tests "healthy". I bought a second battery just in case the first battery was somehow mysteriously actually bad, despite testing as healthy.)
If I hook up a multimeter to the battery in the bike, I get the followup voltages at the indicated stages:
- Key off: 12.54V
- Key on, not started: 11.96 V
- Idling: 13V
- 5K RPM: 13.5V
As far as I can tell, this indicates a charging system that's working correctly. Except the battery doesn't appear to actually be charging.
The batteries I'm using are made by "XTreme", and are "AGM Tech" batteries. The model is a "XTAX9-B5" battery, rated as 12V and 8.5Ah.
The smart charger is a NOCO "genius G3500 v2" charger.
Any ideas what's actually wrong, or what tests I can do to figure out what's wrong? I'm stumped, can't think of anything that gives this behavior.
With a fully charged battery, the bike starts and runs totally fine. After about two trips out and back to work (~23 miles round trip), the battery appears to be dead, and the bike either turns over very slowly or doesn't turn over at all.
If I get it home and drop it on the charger, it appears to charge fully in anywhere from ten minutes to two hours. Mostly, checking it on the charger shows that it charges in about ten minutes. The charger shows "25%" for like two minutes, the "50%" for about two minutes, then "75%", then "100%". It *can't* possibly be fully charging a dead battery that fast.
Most recently, I rode about ten miles for lunch and the bike ran fine. I parked in the parking lot and turned the key off, then, just to test, turned the key back on and hit the starter button and got nothing but clicks from the starter.
Not trusting my bike any more, I had started carrying the second battery with me and the tools to change it. Went and had lunch (I was already there, after all), then changed the "dead" battery out with the charged spare, and the bike started right up and ran fine all the way home. Checked the "dead" battery with the multimeter when I got home and it read 12.5V. IDGI.
The smart charger indicates that the battery is healthy, (The guys at the battery shop indicated the same thing -- The battery tests "healthy". I bought a second battery just in case the first battery was somehow mysteriously actually bad, despite testing as healthy.)
If I hook up a multimeter to the battery in the bike, I get the followup voltages at the indicated stages:
- Key off: 12.54V
- Key on, not started: 11.96 V
- Idling: 13V
- 5K RPM: 13.5V
As far as I can tell, this indicates a charging system that's working correctly. Except the battery doesn't appear to actually be charging.
The batteries I'm using are made by "XTreme", and are "AGM Tech" batteries. The model is a "XTAX9-B5" battery, rated as 12V and 8.5Ah.
The smart charger is a NOCO "genius G3500 v2" charger.
Any ideas what's actually wrong, or what tests I can do to figure out what's wrong? I'm stumped, can't think of anything that gives this behavior.
Hello. Joined to offer possible solution or at least a tip that I found to be My problem. Name is James from Washington State USA.
My 98' CBR900RR recently had similar issues and after 3 weeks of repeated problems. I wound up stranded 130 or so miles from home in the eastern Oregon "desert" @ 10:30 p.m. well the next day I'd had enough and went through wiring tracing each wire from battery out. And found that the small black box with fuse in it and 4 wires going in with another large positive cable to battery had bad connectors on the 4 wires. So I cut them off and soldered my wires directly to the tabs for connectors. Put heat shrink on wires first, if you do this I wouldn't use tape but thats just me. Hope this hel0s someone. Ride safe, well as safe as possible and enjoy the ride, every ride.
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