1000 Engine on 600 Frame
ORIGINAL: Blue Fox
Even if you could fit and mount the engine correctly, there is still one huge problem...that chassis is designed to handle the power output of the 600RR...that chassis wouldn't know WTF was going on with all the extra power.
Even if you could fit and mount the engine correctly, there is still one huge problem...that chassis is designed to handle the power output of the 600RR...that chassis wouldn't know WTF was going on with all the extra power.
Yeah, I wouldn't do it.
I'm interested in the possibility of shoehorning a later 1000 engine into an f2/3 chassis. Anyone have a lead on spec drawings for frame and engine? I'm guessing the two important points are the swingarm/frame/engine mount as well as the width of the cylinder head, everything else is just angles and wire routing.
How interchangeable is the rear shock between the two bikes?
Thanks in advance,
Christopher
Probably fizzled because OP realised it's completely not worth effort or money. You'll need to:
- cut and weld mounting brackets on frame
- install 1000 swingarm, depending upon year, swingarm attaches to engine AND frame
- get 1000 harness and ECU
In end, you'll have bike that handles like crap because geometry was designed for 600's weight and power. And it'll cost more total in end than selling your 600 then buying the 1000. Don't second-guess Honda, their engineers know what they're doing!
Easier and cheaper to turbo 600 and use aftermarket ECU like MoTeC or Electromotive TEC. I've done all these conversions. Most time and cost efficient method is just sell 600 and buy 1000. Difference in market-price is only $2-3K. To do engine-swap 1000 into 600 frame is gonna be around $6-8k. And that's IF you can cut & weld frame yourself.
- cut and weld mounting brackets on frame
- install 1000 swingarm, depending upon year, swingarm attaches to engine AND frame
- get 1000 harness and ECU
In end, you'll have bike that handles like crap because geometry was designed for 600's weight and power. And it'll cost more total in end than selling your 600 then buying the 1000. Don't second-guess Honda, their engineers know what they're doing!
Easier and cheaper to turbo 600 and use aftermarket ECU like MoTeC or Electromotive TEC. I've done all these conversions. Most time and cost efficient method is just sell 600 and buy 1000. Difference in market-price is only $2-3K. To do engine-swap 1000 into 600 frame is gonna be around $6-8k. And that's IF you can cut & weld frame yourself.
Last edited by dannoxyz; Mar 20, 2023 at 03:31 AM.
Cost is not really the question. I understand that the dollar value of the motorcycle won't make sense--I actually went with a newer cbr 1000 than replacing my old 600 (that was stolen) because they cost about the same.
I found new salvage (complete) bikes for less than $1000, and wondered on the feasibility of using the older bikes as a base line (nicer seats--especially for passenger, riding geometry, etcetera). Weight isn't really a thing--they all weigh about the same (kinda the issue on the whole 600 v 1000 question), and swapping forks/shocks is usually pretty bolt on, though the CG might move around a bit. I don't have an f3 sitting about, so I don't have good access to seeing how the frame/swingarm/engine geometry fits together, only a newer generation cbr, as well as videos on YouTube (removing engines, which leave the swingarm attached to the frame). Looks like the cbr900 engine might be the better near option (kinda what Honda did anyway, though without that 900 front end).
In other crazy ideas, I wondered about affixing electric power to an older bike. There's enough self cad/fabrication out there that changing mounting points isn't wildly impossible anymore.
I found new salvage (complete) bikes for less than $1000, and wondered on the feasibility of using the older bikes as a base line (nicer seats--especially for passenger, riding geometry, etcetera). Weight isn't really a thing--they all weigh about the same (kinda the issue on the whole 600 v 1000 question), and swapping forks/shocks is usually pretty bolt on, though the CG might move around a bit. I don't have an f3 sitting about, so I don't have good access to seeing how the frame/swingarm/engine geometry fits together, only a newer generation cbr, as well as videos on YouTube (removing engines, which leave the swingarm attached to the frame). Looks like the cbr900 engine might be the better near option (kinda what Honda did anyway, though without that 900 front end).
In other crazy ideas, I wondered about affixing electric power to an older bike. There's enough self cad/fabrication out there that changing mounting points isn't wildly impossible anymore.
I've been electric for track. Power-to-weight may have surpassed petrol engines. I would build with minimal hot-swap battery pack that would last only 25-minutes (35-40 miles). Then swap for charged-up pack and put spent one on charger. I need to add up weight. I suspect can build one with similar speed as litre bike and less than 300lbs.
If there is a conversion kit that would be the way to go, drilling on these frames is a no no unless you want to be like the gsxr n break at any giving point.
Last edited by VictoriaDi; Nov 19, 2023 at 11:45 AM.
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