f2 vs newer bikes
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Just to put things into perspective, I can out accelerate a fair condition F2 on my CRF450R Supermoto, the only engine mods are a cam, Kibblewhite valves, pipe, and jet kit. Probably about 52hp, 240-250 lb's with 210lb rider + full gear.
I can beat the F2 on the 450 in a 1/4 mile drag up to about 3/4 of the strip where the top end of the F2 will take over and pass me at the very end.
I've also lined up against newer 600's and 1000's and there is no chance. Even novice drag racers on newer bikes can **** their launch up and still pass be before the 1/2 way mark, and I can launch this bike very well.
When my F2 is done, I will take it to the strip and line it up with the other F2 and see how we compare... Then I'll line up with some newer bikes and post the results.
I can beat the F2 on the 450 in a 1/4 mile drag up to about 3/4 of the strip where the top end of the F2 will take over and pass me at the very end.
I've also lined up against newer 600's and 1000's and there is no chance. Even novice drag racers on newer bikes can **** their launch up and still pass be before the 1/2 way mark, and I can launch this bike very well.
When my F2 is done, I will take it to the strip and line it up with the other F2 and see how we compare... Then I'll line up with some newer bikes and post the results.
#24
Just to put things into perspective, I can out accelerate a fair condition F2 on my CRF450R Supermoto, the only engine mods are a cam, Kibblewhite valves, pipe, and jet kit. Probably about 52hp, 240-250 lb's with 210lb rider + full gear.
I can beat the F2 on the 450 in a 1/4 mile drag up to about 3/4 of the strip where the top end of the F2 will take over and pass me at the very end.
I've also lined up against newer 600's and 1000's and there is no chance. Even novice drag racers on newer bikes can **** their launch up and still pass be before the 1/2 way mark, and I can launch this bike very well.
When my F2 is done, I will take it to the strip and line it up with the other F2 and see how we compare... Then I'll line up with some newer bikes and post the results.
I can beat the F2 on the 450 in a 1/4 mile drag up to about 3/4 of the strip where the top end of the F2 will take over and pass me at the very end.
I've also lined up against newer 600's and 1000's and there is no chance. Even novice drag racers on newer bikes can **** their launch up and still pass be before the 1/2 way mark, and I can launch this bike very well.
When my F2 is done, I will take it to the strip and line it up with the other F2 and see how we compare... Then I'll line up with some newer bikes and post the results.
#25
Here's a thought, if you really want to impress us. Go to a drag strip and come back with a timing slip. A stock F2 can run around 11.2 in 1/4 mile with a good rider. Average riders can't break 12 secs.
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As some have said Stock Vs. Stock, the F2's have no chance.
However, with a lil bit of modding and ingenuity. and a generous helping of rider skill. The F2 can be make to help pull the advantage down a little closer to equal.
For instance:
My buddy has an "07 R6. The only mod to engine or drivetrain he has done was -1 on the front sprocket. I had a 94 F2 in very good condidtion(even better after a very thorough carb cleaning). Mine to was stock except for a -1/+2 gearing change.
-in a coin toss me and my buddy were pretty equal in skill level.-
My suspension probably wasnt as good as it was 16 years ago but i never had an issue. his was new(ish). i could keep up with him very well in the twisties, or anytime we were leaned over. Our bikes are heavier, yes. but IMO, F2's are balanced very well and they planted themselves a lil better. mine was always very smooth even when leaned over. his seemed a lil skiddish to me (again, IMO).
as far as straight lines go. before my sprocket change he whooped my behind every time. he had FI, Higher rev limit, less weight etc, etc... after my Sprockets were done. i could keep up very well into the top of 3rd. after he clicked 4th he would always pull away slowly.
(BTW... just to see if it was the riders one time we switched bikes with the same result, thats where the equal rider skill came from...)
Take the info and my opinions as you wish. Just my experience and $0.02
However, with a lil bit of modding and ingenuity. and a generous helping of rider skill. The F2 can be make to help pull the advantage down a little closer to equal.
For instance:
My buddy has an "07 R6. The only mod to engine or drivetrain he has done was -1 on the front sprocket. I had a 94 F2 in very good condidtion(even better after a very thorough carb cleaning). Mine to was stock except for a -1/+2 gearing change.
-in a coin toss me and my buddy were pretty equal in skill level.-
My suspension probably wasnt as good as it was 16 years ago but i never had an issue. his was new(ish). i could keep up with him very well in the twisties, or anytime we were leaned over. Our bikes are heavier, yes. but IMO, F2's are balanced very well and they planted themselves a lil better. mine was always very smooth even when leaned over. his seemed a lil skiddish to me (again, IMO).
as far as straight lines go. before my sprocket change he whooped my behind every time. he had FI, Higher rev limit, less weight etc, etc... after my Sprockets were done. i could keep up very well into the top of 3rd. after he clicked 4th he would always pull away slowly.
(BTW... just to see if it was the riders one time we switched bikes with the same result, thats where the equal rider skill came from...)
Take the info and my opinions as you wish. Just my experience and $0.02
#29
See, this is why I say a re-geared F2 will keep up with a 100% stock CBR600 until you get out of the reasonable street speeds (100+ mph). If he wasn't one tooth down on the front you'd probably do well side by side with him in most street straight line situations.
Anyways, I'm not trying to glorify the F2, it's got 22% less power and 20% more weight! It isn't to be underestimated though!
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