BTW,

The bike actually handles very well.... extremely well. Thing is corner entry speed got hurt because the weight that got tagged onto the bike. That weight got pulled off for Superbike this year but being over 50HP down made it hard to compete. But...... that bike still kept in the top 10 all season. Eslick and Geoff May loved riding the bike very much. May returns this year.

 

Theres not much sense in getting upset and using exclamation points. Your opinion varies from mine, and thats fine. You feel Buell is one fine example of a sportbike. I feel its a chocolate covered piece of poop. Maybe the new Buell will be better, who knows. If it is, thats awesome. If its not, my opinion won't change about it. My opinion certainly won't change that Buell's 1125 was somehow a great sportbike because it won a 600cc championship, no matter how much weight was added.

Also, its great to say the bikes had the same power to weight ratio, but they didn't. The torque output of the 1125 was rediculous compared to a 600. Your also mistaken in thinking that a twin 1000 will put down more torque than 1000 inline 4. They dont. Sure, they put down the torque a little sooner in the rpm range, but the peak torque is close to the same as inline 4's. Displacement will generally determine how much torque your going to make, no matter what configuration you go with. The only difference is the way its put down. its not double the amount of torque than an inline 1000 like it was with the 600's, so it is more closely matched to a liter bike class than it was to a 600 class.

Also, the best thing for overcoming weight is to have more torque. So even adding weight to the 1125 to equal the same power to weight ratio as a 600, the amount of torque it produced, more than made up for the added weight. hp to weight ratio is not the same as torque to weight ratio. If the torque ratio was used, it would have been a lot more than the 60lbs to make the bikes have the same torque to weight ratio. And every race was evident of such a mismatch. The only reason the racing was close was the Buell was so bad in every aspect except for the straights. And thats not a knock on the rider since we all know how well he can ride. Its more of a knock on Buell.

I truly hope they can make a decent bike. It would be nice to see any company make a competitive american sportbike. It would be great to see an american company succeed, and thats something I would be all for. Im just not gonna give them what I feel is undo props.

 

I'm not trying to change your opinion.lol Thing is it was a fair and thats that. The 600's were just as fast on all races tracks as the Buell in lap times. Eslick came back this year and almost won on a 600 so he was just as competitive with or without the Buell. You know nothing about the buell so you can't call it Poop as you call it. I'm a fan of all bikes. But you are just showing narrow mindless comments. I'd rather just a agree to disagree.

 

This pretty much sums it up.

http://www.motorcycle.com/manufactur...iew-88605.html

Erik just didn't walk in and wave a wand and they dropped to there knees and said we welcome you. It was deemed fair.... the outcome fair. That racing was some of the closest racing AMA has had in over a decade.

 

hmm. Its a little harsh calling me narrow minded just because I don't agree with you. You say its in development, and Buell is going to be a force to be reckoned with. An 1125cc sportbike making only 120 something horsepower is not development, no matter how you sugar coat it. 1000cc V-twins were being produced over ten years ago putting out more power than that. So how can producing a bike today with less power be develpoment? I may not know much about the Buell, but thats because I choose not to ride one. I've ridden Buells before and have not been impressed at all. I do know that are severely underpowered for their displacement. I know they hide behind the "American" badge to build subpar bikes. I know they make rediculous claims in a class they cant hold a candle in. If they build a bike that puts down 150hp and weighs under 380lbs, I'll give them the props they deserve. But giving them props for the bikes they have produced so far would be an injustice to all of the great bikes, and even to Buell. They need to realize what the competition is bringing, and match it. If they can do that... awesome. I will glady say Buell makes an incredible bike. But I'm not going to be blinded by marketing. If Buell was made by another Asian company, no one would give them a second look and they wouldn't be around very long. Sure, they are a small company in a big world, but that doesn't make their bike any better just because they don't have the resources other companies have. it is what it is, no matter how it was made.

I truly don't mean any offense to you in anyway. We just greatly... greatly differ on our opinions, so I certainly won't go the route of personal attack as it really brings down the discussion that the thread is meant to be about.

And with that, if its ok with you, I will probably end this debate between us. I don't think there is anything more you or I could add that will make any sense to the other. Our opinions are just too far apart.

 

Development means baby step's. Buell was a very small company. Yes owned by HD but financially they had to go it alone. The 1125 was a test bed to the future. They designed the 72 degree engine along with Rotax. Rotax did not design it for Buell. It was done together. So as you said v twins were putting out more HP years ago. Thing is no company ever made a 72 degree so it is entirely different animal. I've owned Buell's.. several. Erk Buell is a personal friend. As is a few of his engineers past and present. I guess I've gotten some insight on what it takes to get to the the level they were before closing. As far as matching the other race teams?? Well they kept the 1125r in the top 10 in just about all the Superbike races with a bike that was 50HP plus shy of the rest of the competition. With that being said it was done on a budget under a 1/4 million with no factory support or dealers. Pretty big difference considering Jordans team is doing on 4.2 million budget and the Yosh teams at 30 million. So actually kudo's to Erik Buell for being up there being able to do it. But next year 1190RS will be on the grid boasting 185 RWHP and dry weight of 360lbs.


BTW,I didn't make you feel like i attacked you in any way. Narrow mindness is not attack. Nor is it because you don't agree with me. I just feel you are not seeing the bigger picture to Buell but many don't. I'm a fan of all different brands myself.

 

AMA News Bulletin:
Foremost Insurance/Pegram Racing will split with Ducati & go with the BMW S 1000 RR for the 2011 SuperBike season.

 

I seen that a couple days ago. Interesting and I wonder how he'll do ??? Also kinda sucks that we won't see the 1198r in AMA or WSB this coming season. Ducati is mustering all they can for MotoGP and contingency for the 848 I would guess.

 

Yeah, I do believe the 848 will race in AMA. I know the manufactors are cutting back but again I raise the quetions' how much does it benifit a manufactor to support racing? Yes I know in development, but beyond that? Honda pulled out of AMA, but got a big gain by monopolizing Moto2. Yahama & Suzuki are everywhere. BMW seems to continue their expantion of race teams. I hope Honda & Duc will return to AMA.

 

I hope to see Honda back as well or atleast Erion. Would be great to see Zemke back in the Honda camp riding the 600. I personally think Zemke's skill's were highlighted when riding the 600. It just seems like some of these guys are better middleweight bike riders then the bigbore bikes.