Windows Mojave
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RE: Windows Mojave
ORIGINAL: shoortbuss
Forgive me for not going through all the posts on here and skipping to my response, as I may or may not say things that have already been said. Although I still won't use Vista on my home machine, I must admit that Vista has made tremendous improvements since the first time I used it in it's Beta version at work. Yes, it's annoying with it's constant pop-ups and it often feels like a pesky child asking your permission to do everything, it's MS's most secure OS to date.
People like to bitch and complain about MS products and their lack of security, but what most people don't get is that other OS's out there are not as secure as they think. It's simply a matter of numbers, in that it's not economical for malicious code writers to waste their time trying to get into Macs and Linux boxes when a vast majority of home users are running Windows.
Think of it this way. You're a car thief, and to be an efficient car thief, you want to learn as much as you can about the vulnerabilities of the cars you intend to steal. Do you go out and learn how to steal Bugati Veyrons??? Hell no, you figure out how to steal Honda Accords!! If anybody thinks that other operating systems are more secure because of superior programming, you are dead wrong. The real security issue is the number of people dedicated to cracking MS vulnerabilites as compared to other OS's.
Now, just to be my usual hypocritical self and argue both sides of the argument, I think Vista was a useless and unneccesary upgrade. It has the Millenium Edition vibe to it, and I can't seem to shake that feeling. I simply see no need to upgrade upon XP, which IMHO has become a stable, fast, and secure OS. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." But we all know better than that. MS is a business, and a greedy one at that. They are the EA Sports of the OS world, constantly polishing turds and presenting them as golden nuggets.
It's like they said, "Ok, we got XP and it's a great success! We've made some great changes and updates over the years through patches and upgrades, but let's do this. Let's make a new OS, and we'll start by making the system requirements higher than the average computer out there. Then we're gonna take all the most important features of the OS, such as administrative tools, shut down and restart buttons and menu options and we're going to make them really hard to find, even though these common features have been in the same familiar location since Windows 95. Then we're gonna take off our shirts and kiss and have an orgy in a pile of all the money we make."
Forgive me for not going through all the posts on here and skipping to my response, as I may or may not say things that have already been said. Although I still won't use Vista on my home machine, I must admit that Vista has made tremendous improvements since the first time I used it in it's Beta version at work. Yes, it's annoying with it's constant pop-ups and it often feels like a pesky child asking your permission to do everything, it's MS's most secure OS to date.
People like to bitch and complain about MS products and their lack of security, but what most people don't get is that other OS's out there are not as secure as they think. It's simply a matter of numbers, in that it's not economical for malicious code writers to waste their time trying to get into Macs and Linux boxes when a vast majority of home users are running Windows.
Think of it this way. You're a car thief, and to be an efficient car thief, you want to learn as much as you can about the vulnerabilities of the cars you intend to steal. Do you go out and learn how to steal Bugati Veyrons??? Hell no, you figure out how to steal Honda Accords!! If anybody thinks that other operating systems are more secure because of superior programming, you are dead wrong. The real security issue is the number of people dedicated to cracking MS vulnerabilites as compared to other OS's.
Now, just to be my usual hypocritical self and argue both sides of the argument, I think Vista was a useless and unneccesary upgrade. It has the Millenium Edition vibe to it, and I can't seem to shake that feeling. I simply see no need to upgrade upon XP, which IMHO has become a stable, fast, and secure OS. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." But we all know better than that. MS is a business, and a greedy one at that. They are the EA Sports of the OS world, constantly polishing turds and presenting them as golden nuggets.
It's like they said, "Ok, we got XP and it's a great success! We've made some great changes and updates over the years through patches and upgrades, but let's do this. Let's make a new OS, and we'll start by making the system requirements higher than the average computer out there. Then we're gonna take all the most important features of the OS, such as administrative tools, shut down and restart buttons and menu options and we're going to make them really hard to find, even though these common features have been in the same familiar location since Windows 95. Then we're gonna take off our shirts and kiss and have an orgy in a pile of all the money we make."
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RE: Windows Mojave
ORIGINAL: shoortbuss
People like to bitch and complain about MS products and their lack of security, but what most people don't get is that other OS's out there are not as secure as they think. It's simply a matter of numbers, in that it's not economical for malicious code writers to waste their time trying to get into Macs and Linux boxes when a vast majority of home users are running Windows.
People like to bitch and complain about MS products and their lack of security, but what most people don't get is that other OS's out there are not as secure as they think. It's simply a matter of numbers, in that it's not economical for malicious code writers to waste their time trying to get into Macs and Linux boxes when a vast majority of home users are running Windows.
ORIGINAL: PlayfulGod
But, its not as secure as *nix or a Mac regardless of the #'s.
But, its not as secure as *nix or a Mac regardless of the #'s.
If the average hacker spent as much time working on mac tools of disruption ... I think the mac would be just as accessible ...
( I used to play hacker war games many moons ago ) [8D]
I think arguments for and against Vista are purely a point of view thing, that can be rattled back and forth till we all are dead and gone...
but.....
personally , its all shyte , these new so called higher security, user friendly , safer new systems...
Change for the sake of change [:'(] ... what a waste of resources !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gimmie an old stable 98se and XP Pro any bloody day ..
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RE: Windows Mojave
Whatever side of this argument you stand on, can anybody else here agree that Office 2007 freaking rocks? I love this product and what they've done with it! It's a bit of a learning curve, but it's highly functional and has some amazing features!
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RE: Windows Mojave
ORIGINAL: flumpies
winBLOWS you mean
bloated crap
endless drivers nightmare
security fixes
what a rip-off for a product
if you bought a motorcycle that was as buggy as windows you would take it back
winBLOWS you mean
bloated crap
endless drivers nightmare
security fixes
what a rip-off for a product
if you bought a motorcycle that was as buggy as windows you would take it back
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RE: Windows Mojave
As a semi literate computer user i dont like vista so far. The wife went and got a new lappy at best buy a few weeks ago. They asked her if she would like to spend another like $200 for them to "clean it up" before she brought it home. Well she smartly said no and figured i could do it. I know my way around a pc moderatly well i like to think, but far from a geek. Man i spent forever getting rid of all the crap that comes with Vista, i was really amazed. Now i dont doubt some of you could make fast work of what took me a day. But as my first experience with it, i found it to be a pain in the *** 
. Im glad i still have my tower and windows xp.
. Im glad i still have my tower and windows xp.
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RE: Windows Mojave
ORIGINAL: shoortbuss
What an intelligent addition to this topic. Thank you for backing your argument up so eloquently.
ORIGINAL: flumpies
winBLOWS you mean
bloated crap
endless drivers nightmare
security fixes
what a rip-off for a product
if you bought a motorcycle that was as buggy as windows you would take it back
winBLOWS you mean
bloated crap
endless drivers nightmare
security fixes
what a rip-off for a product
if you bought a motorcycle that was as buggy as windows you would take it back
Me I think all OS's have a place and suit different people and applications..
For too long to remember I have tried to defend the early windows OS's and it nerarly gives me a head ache.
I hang out on some of the Tech and hacker forums ... (usually just reading them I might add )
never daring!! to get into any rave's regarding good OS's or bad OS's...but I do get tempted [8D]
In here it seems a tad outta place , but it is good to see we have a few nerdy types hanging around that ride
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RE: Windows Mojave
ORIGINAL: TK954RR
As a semi literate computer user i dont like vista so far. The wife went and got a new lappy at best buy a few weeks ago. They asked her if she would like to spend another like $200 for them to "clean it up" before she brought it home. Well she smartly said no and figured i could do it. I know my way around a pc moderatly well i like to think, but far from a geek. Man i spent forever getting rid of all the crap that comes with Vista, i was really amazed. Now i dont doubt some of you could make fast work of what took me a day. But as my first experience with it, i found it to be a pain in the ***. Im glad i still have my tower and windows xp.
As a semi literate computer user i dont like vista so far. The wife went and got a new lappy at best buy a few weeks ago. They asked her if she would like to spend another like $200 for them to "clean it up" before she brought it home. Well she smartly said no and figured i could do it. I know my way around a pc moderatly well i like to think, but far from a geek. Man i spent forever getting rid of all the crap that comes with Vista, i was really amazed. Now i dont doubt some of you could make fast work of what took me a day. But as my first experience with it, i found it to be a pain in the ***
. Im glad i still have my tower and windows xp.
We had a little rant earlier in this thread regarding " turning shyte on and off " Vista was the target topic ...and you hit the nail on the head mate
Well done also fore figuring out HOW to turn all the shyte off too
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From: Dalton, GA
RE: Windows Mojave
ORIGINAL: TK954RR
As a semi literate computer user i dont like vista so far. The wife went and got a new lappy at best buy a few weeks ago. They asked her if she would like to spend another like $200 for them to "clean it up" before she brought it home. Well she smartly said no and figured i could do it. I know my way around a pc moderatly well i like to think, but far from a geek. Man i spent forever getting rid of all the crap that comes with Vista, i was really amazed. Now i dont doubt some of you could make fast work of what took me a day. But as my first experience with it, i found it to be a pain in the ***. Im glad i still have my tower and windows xp.
As a semi literate computer user i dont like vista so far. The wife went and got a new lappy at best buy a few weeks ago. They asked her if she would like to spend another like $200 for them to "clean it up" before she brought it home. Well she smartly said no and figured i could do it. I know my way around a pc moderatly well i like to think, but far from a geek. Man i spent forever getting rid of all the crap that comes with Vista, i was really amazed. Now i dont doubt some of you could make fast work of what took me a day. But as my first experience with it, i found it to be a pain in the ***
. Im glad i still have my tower and windows xp.