I agree about the salesman and I appreciate that were brothers and you would help me out. As my man Clint Eastwood said "A man's got to know his limitations"! Apparently this rider didn't know his b4 but he sure as h*ll knows them now.

 

The "don't sell him the bike" really doesn't work in practice. Noob kid came in the local dealer here, wanted a 1000RR, absolutely no experience. They wouldn't sell it to him and tried to talk him into a good "learner" bike. He wanted no part of that, he wanted a 1000!!

So, he just drove 30 miles to another dealer, he knew what to say this time. He told them he had been riding a couple of years on a 600RR and was pretty experienced, he was ready to move up to the 1000RR. And you guessed it, he ended up crashing big-time racing a car on a street.

Bottom line, if you refuse to sell, they'll go somewhere else and lie. How we gonna spot the liars? Start giving 'em tests??

 

the 15 minute thing is pushing it a bit, but the rest of it sounds about right to me

we sell new bikes all the time with financed in "perks" such as exhaust, gear, whatever you want
also, not selling a bike to someone based on moral grounds sounds great but like just mentioned they'd just go somewhere else and buy it so why not get your own commission after you mention the MSF and a different starter bike
is someone's mind is made up they're gonna get it from you or somebody else so don't let the commission go

EDIT - that's an 09

 

Let them go somewhere else. If you can't sell him a reasonable bike and have him come back in 6 mo. or a year for an new bike than maybe sales isn't for you. You want a lifetime customer, not wham bam thank you mam! seriously, think of your future and his! Talk him into the smaller bike, tell him you'll make him a good deal when he's ready to move up, be the Apollo of sales, he'll be back! and he will bring in friends, you think that guy who is all ticked off at the dealer who sold him that bike will ever say anything good about that dealership? Not a chance. And some cocky lawyer might very well make trouble for that salesman and dealership. The dealership did not do anything illegal, but it certainly will not increase his business.

 

Maybe if the salesman talked him in to buying the bike, then there might be a moral argument. However I firmly believe in people being responsible for their own actions. There is so much info available on the internet for free about bikes, there's no excuse why (almost) anyone should be totally unprepared when deciding on which bike to buy. Personally, I don't see any issue with starting on a 600 - it's what I did and so do many others.

If the salesman is at fault, what about all of the other interested parties? The insurance company for selling him the insurance? The government for allowing a new rider to own a 600? In the UK, you could rope in the DVLA for allowing him to buy road tax for it too. If any one of these were not possible, then the new rider could not have bought and legally ridden the bike anyway!

 

Well there's missing info so its tough to say.. We dont know how they came to a deal on the 600rr or what the conversation was, but the kid bought the bike, take responsibility for your own actions.. Why cant people do that now a days.. I cant believe anyone would even blame the dealership... Its stupid to. He wrecked the bike, he bought the bike... Too bad for him, suck it up little bish

 

How many of us here bought a 250 for a first bike? Thats what i thought, bought a gix 750 for my first bike, never crashed it, or my 2nd or 3rd bikes and im still here. If someone told me i had to get a 250 for a first bike i would have walked out. Its not like we are talking a few hundred bucks here, if im going to spend 7 to 10K im damn well getting what i want. So unless you make it a law, forget about it.

 

We're forgetting that some people, just simply have no buisness being on a bike, no matter what the kind is, in the first place.

I had a moped, and my friend crashed it within 3 mins of riding it. took me the rest of the summer to get it going again.

 

Not everyone is cut out to ride a Motorcycle.
Some cant grasp the concept of operating one and never will.
Case in point my 40 yr old brother still cant figure out how to drive a car with a manual trans.. lol.
He SURE as hell wont be able to learn how to ride a motorcycle.

 

no but I bet most who did start on a 250 n worked their way up can out ride 99% of those that just started on wtf they wanted too.