jus my thoughts; anyone agree/disagree? (opinions?)
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jus my thoughts; anyone agree/disagree? (opinions?)
hopefully this is in the right location; if not i appologize.
this morning on my way to work i catch up to a fellow street biker. long story short we come to traffic. he decides to break left i break right. traffic is stopped so my speed is under 20. gaining towards the actual red light, at the last minute he pulls out from behind a white van on my left...i barely miss him as i see him lock up the front brake. i hear something, not sure if it is him dumping his cycle or laying it into the van infront of him. i did watch my mirrors for a a few secs while continuing on my way and i saw nothing. . .in which i do hope he was all right.
i am already late to work, and on probation of losing my job so i do the selfish act and continue on my way. (not too proud of that but then again part of me feels it was a Stupid move on his part).
besides my selfish act and not assisting the fellow biker; was i in the wrong? i mean how many bikers out there drive the way he did in and out of lanes and cars, regardless of speed?
i do not think so, but i could be wrong. i myself DO NOT under any circumstances weave in and out of lanes or cars such as he did.
not trying to start a riot in here, just puttin this out there for feedback.
no offense meant to those fellow riders that have devoted centuries or decades to their two wheel days. i am a firm believer that with time comes knowledge, but until you have that first character invested, (time) why push it...and if you do, you are foolish, in which hopefully karma doesnt kick the crap out of you for it.
this morning on my way to work i catch up to a fellow street biker. long story short we come to traffic. he decides to break left i break right. traffic is stopped so my speed is under 20. gaining towards the actual red light, at the last minute he pulls out from behind a white van on my left...i barely miss him as i see him lock up the front brake. i hear something, not sure if it is him dumping his cycle or laying it into the van infront of him. i did watch my mirrors for a a few secs while continuing on my way and i saw nothing. . .in which i do hope he was all right.
i am already late to work, and on probation of losing my job so i do the selfish act and continue on my way. (not too proud of that but then again part of me feels it was a Stupid move on his part).
besides my selfish act and not assisting the fellow biker; was i in the wrong? i mean how many bikers out there drive the way he did in and out of lanes and cars, regardless of speed?
i do not think so, but i could be wrong. i myself DO NOT under any circumstances weave in and out of lanes or cars such as he did.
not trying to start a riot in here, just puttin this out there for feedback.
no offense meant to those fellow riders that have devoted centuries or decades to their two wheel days. i am a firm believer that with time comes knowledge, but until you have that first character invested, (time) why push it...and if you do, you are foolish, in which hopefully karma doesnt kick the crap out of you for it.
Last edited by duckorbleed; 07-28-2009 at 03:11 PM.
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god thats a sticky situation with the probo thing.. i cant say if i woulda done it *in the moment* but..
karma is a bitch. you were in the wrong sorry to tell ya kid.. let me tell ya about my story.
i used to be a recklace teen and f* with peoples cars and cause serious damage. last year i had a great job (3rd shift albeit) driving back and forth to dealerships delivering what i thought were cheaper Chevy Performance Chips well.. a semi side swiped me and all the lights were lost or destroyed. i had to pay 345$ for EACH CHIP! imagine that. i found out through a dream that that was my karma for what i did in the past. to say the least.. i was fired. ***wow on that karma hey. *not even my falu.
knock on wood your karma isnt as pricey. way to be honest tho guy, what if he was reading this! haha.. i wish the truck driver was, id rip him a new whole.
PEACE.
& good luck.
karma is a bitch. you were in the wrong sorry to tell ya kid.. let me tell ya about my story.
i used to be a recklace teen and f* with peoples cars and cause serious damage. last year i had a great job (3rd shift albeit) driving back and forth to dealerships delivering what i thought were cheaper Chevy Performance Chips well.. a semi side swiped me and all the lights were lost or destroyed. i had to pay 345$ for EACH CHIP! imagine that. i found out through a dream that that was my karma for what i did in the past. to say the least.. i was fired. ***wow on that karma hey. *not even my falu.
knock on wood your karma isnt as pricey. way to be honest tho guy, what if he was reading this! haha.. i wish the truck driver was, id rip him a new whole.
PEACE.
& good luck.
Last edited by kcbresh; 07-28-2009 at 04:08 PM.
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This sort of thing is for sure just a personal choice thing ..
To put this in context... I have been rolling the hyways for 35 years and have over 300.000 of experience under my belt ...
Newer riders prolly should not necessarrilly take my personal attitude to this on board..
Me ....I hate traffic ... I take the attitude that every 4 or more wheeled thing on the road wants to try to kill me and I have always used one main theory when riding in close company with it..
I don't sit in it and wait for someone to hit me ...I do take an aggressive approach and try to get as much of it behind me as I can ..
If the lights are red and the moving traffic is rolling slowly I will cruise through to the front any way I can where ever possible ..
So yer , I do tend to move through traffic like you described ...
If I saw, or thought that any rider went down , rightly or wrongly , it would not matter to me if he or she was the "architect of his own misfortune" , I would stop and or turn around to give assistance...
but as I said above , this would just be my choice ..and I don't think you should feel bad at all ...
( on a side note )
I think in general... that if we as people get to a stage where we pass judgment regarding right or wrong, in or under any circumstance on others on the spot and then make our decisions to help or not help , based on this methodology .... we all will become lesser people ..
To put this in context... I have been rolling the hyways for 35 years and have over 300.000 of experience under my belt ...
Newer riders prolly should not necessarrilly take my personal attitude to this on board..
Me ....I hate traffic ... I take the attitude that every 4 or more wheeled thing on the road wants to try to kill me and I have always used one main theory when riding in close company with it..
I don't sit in it and wait for someone to hit me ...I do take an aggressive approach and try to get as much of it behind me as I can ..
If the lights are red and the moving traffic is rolling slowly I will cruise through to the front any way I can where ever possible ..
So yer , I do tend to move through traffic like you described ...
If I saw, or thought that any rider went down , rightly or wrongly , it would not matter to me if he or she was the "architect of his own misfortune" , I would stop and or turn around to give assistance...
but as I said above , this would just be my choice ..and I don't think you should feel bad at all ...
( on a side note )
I think in general... that if we as people get to a stage where we pass judgment regarding right or wrong, in or under any circumstance on others on the spot and then make our decisions to help or not help , based on this methodology .... we all will become lesser people ..
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My 1st stack was in city traffic, my fault, no doubt about it. Morning peak hour & then some guy pulled over into my lane, cutting me off, close call, so I had to swerve & went into the other lane.
So I starting abusing this guy, I was pretty angry, not looking ahead, heard a shout from my friend that was behind me on his bike "look out', to late, "Whump" straight into the back of a double parked delivery van. All I can remember is the the bike feeling like it was going all over the place & finally me & the bike on the tar.
People came from all over the place to help me up, check me for injury & tell me how lucky & what a total D*ck head I was.
City traffic is always risky, people do crazy things, not just traffic, but pedestrians, street cleaners & emergency vehicles. I was a motorcycle courier for a couple years & I did some risky stunts (I was 18 & it was a Yammie RD350 company bike).
As for you doing the 'Right' thing or not? we all react & behave differently depending on the situation.
So I starting abusing this guy, I was pretty angry, not looking ahead, heard a shout from my friend that was behind me on his bike "look out', to late, "Whump" straight into the back of a double parked delivery van. All I can remember is the the bike feeling like it was going all over the place & finally me & the bike on the tar.
People came from all over the place to help me up, check me for injury & tell me how lucky & what a total D*ck head I was.
City traffic is always risky, people do crazy things, not just traffic, but pedestrians, street cleaners & emergency vehicles. I was a motorcycle courier for a couple years & I did some risky stunts (I was 18 & it was a Yammie RD350 company bike).
As for you doing the 'Right' thing or not? we all react & behave differently depending on the situation.
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i mean on a cycle splitting lanes to begin with is enough of a traffic break. what is the absolute purpose to weave in between cars while you are already beating the crunch by simply splitting lanes ?
i have come to the point where i could not make it to the front of the line due to a pot hole or a car or truck too close to which i would not fit through...even at those times; i simply wait, for i am already of the traffic.
furthermore he was a matter of feet in front of me for miles before this occurred. not once did he check his mirror to acknowledge i was there; thus the reason why i split right; thus also the reason why he dumped almost hitting me, not having the slightest clue i was there or even around.
in a sense i hope he does read this; all i would say is W T F were you thinking? w t f was your purpose in that attempt?
no offense but i dont see how i was in the wrong, unless u mean me not stopping to offer assistance ...? besides had i stopped i prolly woulda been in for an *** whipping over something was in none of my control.
i feel he was bein a cocky rider by his attempted move that slapped him in the face. i dont wish any harm or any such luck on anyone, but . . . .
i have come to the point where i could not make it to the front of the line due to a pot hole or a car or truck too close to which i would not fit through...even at those times; i simply wait, for i am already of the traffic.
furthermore he was a matter of feet in front of me for miles before this occurred. not once did he check his mirror to acknowledge i was there; thus the reason why i split right; thus also the reason why he dumped almost hitting me, not having the slightest clue i was there or even around.
in a sense i hope he does read this; all i would say is W T F were you thinking? w t f was your purpose in that attempt?
no offense but i dont see how i was in the wrong, unless u mean me not stopping to offer assistance ...? besides had i stopped i prolly woulda been in for an *** whipping over something was in none of my control.
i feel he was bein a cocky rider by his attempted move that slapped him in the face. i dont wish any harm or any such luck on anyone, but . . . .
Last edited by duckorbleed; 07-28-2009 at 05:19 PM.
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idiocy on his part does not warrant sincerity on yours
the most dangerous place to be on a bike is in multi-lane side by side traffic
whatever happened to him was his own fault for not riding as defensively as he should have been
some might say you should have stopped, but you can't lose your job because he wrecked
the most dangerous place to be on a bike is in multi-lane side by side traffic
whatever happened to him was his own fault for not riding as defensively as he should have been
some might say you should have stopped, but you can't lose your job because he wrecked