Thinking about getting a Dual Purpose (Enduro)
#11
04-25-2009, 05:28 PM
Sir trout!! ( Nevada promoted you). If the peeps out there are asking so much used , buy new ! Sales are slow , get a good deal from the dealer with warranty and then when it's time to sell , you can ask a reasonable price and under-cut these crazy *****'s
BTW Nevada I'm comin' ta visit one 'O' these , to inspect your MACHINERY
BTW Nevada I'm comin' ta visit one 'O' these , to inspect your MACHINERY
#12
04-25-2009, 07:33 PM
Hell yeah!! A promotion!? I didn't expect this. I don't know what to say...
My boss said "no way" to a promotion this year because I was...and I quote... "a ****in' slacker whose already working on a last chance agreement"
I'd like to thank Honda.... and beer.. and coffee... and more beer.
Nevada.... very true. I'm gonna find a couple used ones and start chatting. Nothin' to lose. I think it's kind of a unique time for bikes at the moment. Economy isn't doing too good. However, bike sales were up due to gas prices. We'll see.
hawk, it's kind-of looking like new may be the way to go if I can't talk down these clowns. I like the idea of low interest, a couple grand down, and cheap payments for 2 years or something. We'll see how it plays out, I guess.
I bought that 1980 XR80 back in like 1989 for $75 because some idiot kid hit a stump with the peg and busted a hole in the motor at the peg bolt. I fixed it all up and ran it hard for about 6yrs. All I ever put into it was a couple plugs and a throttle cable. It still ran two years ago when I sold it to some kid for......$75.
My boss said "no way" to a promotion this year because I was...and I quote... "a ****in' slacker whose already working on a last chance agreement"
I'd like to thank Honda.... and beer.. and coffee... and more beer.
Nevada.... very true. I'm gonna find a couple used ones and start chatting. Nothin' to lose. I think it's kind of a unique time for bikes at the moment. Economy isn't doing too good. However, bike sales were up due to gas prices. We'll see.
hawk, it's kind-of looking like new may be the way to go if I can't talk down these clowns. I like the idea of low interest, a couple grand down, and cheap payments for 2 years or something. We'll see how it plays out, I guess.
I bought that 1980 XR80 back in like 1989 for $75 because some idiot kid hit a stump with the peg and busted a hole in the motor at the peg bolt. I fixed it all up and ran it hard for about 6yrs. All I ever put into it was a couple plugs and a throttle cable. It still ran two years ago when I sold it to some kid for......$75.
#13
04-26-2009, 02:56 PM
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Trout, have you looked at those DL 650s and DL1000 Suzukis? The DL1000 has the same motor as the SV1000, which is derived from my TL1000. They are also called "V-Strom" whether they are a 650cc or 1000cc.
I have rode those puppies and think they are the best dual purpose out there. The 650cc is lighter for the gravel, but I like the power of the 1000cc. Since a "dual purpose" bike is suppose to be for both dirt and street, but are mainly used on the street, I perfer the bigger bike. Why? I would be spending 90% of the time on the hardball rather than the gravel roads. BTW, no dual purpose is going to be real good on real dirt riding areas. They just are made for gravel roads and tar roads. Tires limit their abilities also. Get a dirt tire and you slide on the hardball. Get a street tire and you can't do much in the dirt.
That is what made me decide not to get the dual purpose bike. Doesn't do either real well. I would rather own bikes that are specific to what I want to do that day (I also like used bikes for the price reason). R1100RS is for overnight rides. CBR1000F is for long straights at high speed with some twisties in between while I am on my way to go out to lunch. TL1000S is for the twisties and wheelies. S40 Boulevard is for the wife or maybe an embarrassing ride to catch the ice cream man and sit there listening to his music tapping my foot to the beat, while his Yak herder cousin sings in a borat tone "Old Man" by Neil Young!!
No, I don't ride the S40 that much!!! Why? There are not many Yak herders in the Nevada desert, is why....
I have rode those puppies and think they are the best dual purpose out there. The 650cc is lighter for the gravel, but I like the power of the 1000cc. Since a "dual purpose" bike is suppose to be for both dirt and street, but are mainly used on the street, I perfer the bigger bike. Why? I would be spending 90% of the time on the hardball rather than the gravel roads. BTW, no dual purpose is going to be real good on real dirt riding areas. They just are made for gravel roads and tar roads. Tires limit their abilities also. Get a dirt tire and you slide on the hardball. Get a street tire and you can't do much in the dirt.
That is what made me decide not to get the dual purpose bike. Doesn't do either real well. I would rather own bikes that are specific to what I want to do that day (I also like used bikes for the price reason). R1100RS is for overnight rides. CBR1000F is for long straights at high speed with some twisties in between while I am on my way to go out to lunch. TL1000S is for the twisties and wheelies. S40 Boulevard is for the wife or maybe an embarrassing ride to catch the ice cream man and sit there listening to his music tapping my foot to the beat, while his Yak herder cousin sings in a borat tone "Old Man" by Neil Young!!
No, I don't ride the S40 that much!!! Why? There are not many Yak herders in the Nevada desert, is why....
#14
04-26-2009, 05:33 PM
Nevada, I did look at the v-stroms. Though nice, the strom650 was almost twice the price of the KLR650 or the DR650. The 1000 just seemed like too much bike for the possibility of offroad. Hell, I originally thought 650 was a little too much. The price was the main factor in ruling them out, though.
I completely understand where you're coming from on the fact that dual sports are pretty much the "masters of nothing" so to speak. This is why I originally wanted to get something like an XR250R strictly for some trail riding. (Possibly a CR)
Then I got to thinking that maybe the XR650L would be more practical so I could do a little more trail riding if I needed to but still run the road ok, since the soul of the XR seems a little more trail oriented. Then I found the KLRs which seemed to be a little more road oriented, but would probably still be ok for some less spirited off-roading (and they were a good bit cheaper than the XR)
****, I don't know. Why you gotta start assking questions, you stinkin' goddam yak herder?
Seriously, though, I've been over this probably 1000 times in my head over the last few days. "Dual Sport, Dylan.....Really....you want to get a ****in' dual sport?!" He he..
If I were absolutely sure, I'd probably have one in my garage right now.
I keep coming back to the fact that they aren't all that exspensive (even new) and would probably be fun. **** me... I don't know..
I completely understand where you're coming from on the fact that dual sports are pretty much the "masters of nothing" so to speak. This is why I originally wanted to get something like an XR250R strictly for some trail riding. (Possibly a CR)
Then I got to thinking that maybe the XR650L would be more practical so I could do a little more trail riding if I needed to but still run the road ok, since the soul of the XR seems a little more trail oriented. Then I found the KLRs which seemed to be a little more road oriented, but would probably still be ok for some less spirited off-roading (and they were a good bit cheaper than the XR)
****, I don't know. Why you gotta start assking questions, you stinkin' goddam yak herder?
Seriously, though, I've been over this probably 1000 times in my head over the last few days. "Dual Sport, Dylan.....Really....you want to get a ****in' dual sport?!" He he..
If I were absolutely sure, I'd probably have one in my garage right now.
I keep coming back to the fact that they aren't all that exspensive (even new) and would probably be fun. **** me... I don't know..
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04-28-2009, 10:54 PM
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The Varadero (successor of the legendary Africa Twin 750) would be my top choice. Hands down, no questions asked. There's a reason why Honda sent these 2 down the path to Dakar.
KTM is always a safe bet, they've come a long way and are producing a solid product again.
Last but not least, the V-Strom is a bit too mainstream for my taste, but the price point for the V-Strom 1K is actually not all that bad. I've seen tons of them on long distance tours, while retaining the ability to go out into the back country if so desired.
Varadero 1K
KTM 650
V-Strom
Just my 2 cents
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KTM is always a safe bet, they've come a long way and are producing a solid product again.
Last but not least, the V-Strom is a bit too mainstream for my taste, but the price point for the V-Strom 1K is actually not all that bad. I've seen tons of them on long distance tours, while retaining the ability to go out into the back country if so desired.
Varadero 1K
KTM 650
V-Strom
Just my 2 cents
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#16
04-29-2009, 12:34 AM
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Yes, Sir Trout, I have been known to herd Yaks. I once tried to herd 6 tarantulas at once in the southern California desert. I will stick with Yaks, those darn big spiders can jump and run fast!!!
I think that going with a dual sport is like giving up both the road and the dirt in one bike. I also compare having one to riding a Yak to your own wedding and finding out the bride on the other Yak is your pregnant sister!!! Now that will make you puke up some Yak milk!!!
Get a dirt bike and keep your CBR-F. When the dirt bike hits the ground, you will not lose your street bike at the same time....
I think that going with a dual sport is like giving up both the road and the dirt in one bike. I also compare having one to riding a Yak to your own wedding and finding out the bride on the other Yak is your pregnant sister!!! Now that will make you puke up some Yak milk!!!
Get a dirt bike and keep your CBR-F. When the dirt bike hits the ground, you will not lose your street bike at the same time....
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04-29-2009, 01:21 AM
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All the other 19 tons of post replies aside
That is such a great point Joe...
It is prolly the main reason that I have never gone in that direction ..
The V twin Honda and most others are nice as they are ,.. but are way to cumbersome and heavy for real dirt riding (in full on setup road format)
and on the road would be a let down compared to most sport bikes..
They are a very expensive compromise ...gimmy my good old XR500 OR 600 any day and then I will come home and jump on my 1000F for a smooth street ride.. :-)
and you thought your opinion was ( as important as a cricket fart) Joe :-)
a bloody good point grasshopper lol
I think that going with a dual sport is like giving up both the road and the dirt in one bike.
It is prolly the main reason that I have never gone in that direction ..
The V twin Honda and most others are nice as they are ,.. but are way to cumbersome and heavy for real dirt riding (in full on setup road format)
and on the road would be a let down compared to most sport bikes..
They are a very expensive compromise ...gimmy my good old XR500 OR 600 any day and then I will come home and jump on my 1000F for a smooth street ride.. :-)
and you thought your opinion was ( as important as a cricket fart) Joe :-)
a bloody good point grasshopper
lol
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#18
04-29-2009, 09:53 PM
That is a good point, steve. (and Nevadaman)
That's what I was thinking when I said that dual sports were kind-of a "master of nothing" earlier.
I don't expect anything to be bitchin' on the street and trail, that's just...well...absurd. It's a contradiction in terms. An oxymoron, so to speak.
However, it seems like someone could come up with something that is at least pretty comfortable on the road...that can still run trails. Is it possible?
I didn't realize that the KLR was water cooled. Makes a little more sense with the curb weight now. That ****in' pig is like 440lbs!! I say "bring it on!!" I'm a big boy, and I've ridden big trail bikes before. Hell, my granddad's neighbor had a Yamaha 550 trail (early 80's XT,I think), and I took that bitch on when I was 12!
(BTW, Honda XR650L is around 350lbs, Suzuki DR650 is 366lbs..big difference!)
I guess I just don't want a dedicated trail bike because I don't think it would get used as much as it should. I have a bunch of trails in the area that I'd like to take day trips to, but I don't want to truck a bike all over, and I don't want to get arrested on a dirtbike either. (not that I couldn't run 'em, I guess)
Here's a KLR
And here (start at 1:36)
And here
And here
That's what I was thinking when I said that dual sports were kind-of a "master of nothing" earlier.
I don't expect anything to be bitchin' on the street and trail, that's just...well...absurd. It's a contradiction in terms. An oxymoron, so to speak.
However, it seems like someone could come up with something that is at least pretty comfortable on the road...that can still run trails. Is it possible?
I didn't realize that the KLR was water cooled. Makes a little more sense with the curb weight now. That ****in' pig is like 440lbs!! I say "bring it on!!" I'm a big boy, and I've ridden big trail bikes before. Hell, my granddad's neighbor had a Yamaha 550 trail (early 80's XT,I think), and I took that bitch on when I was 12!
(BTW, Honda XR650L is around 350lbs, Suzuki DR650 is 366lbs..big difference!)
I guess I just don't want a dedicated trail bike because I don't think it would get used as much as it should. I have a bunch of trails in the area that I'd like to take day trips to, but I don't want to truck a bike all over, and I don't want to get arrested on a dirtbike either. (not that I couldn't run 'em, I guess
) Here's a KLR
And here (start at 1:36)
And here
And here
#19
04-30-2009, 01:24 AM
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The US Army uses those KLRs, but theirs are diesel motored. I do see a lot of those KLRs around here in the desert. Lots of dirt roads and places to get lost.
If you like trail riding and have the time to do it, then get a trail riding bike and go once-in-a-while. Make a day out of it and it might not be so bad to trailer the bike to the riding area. That is one thing about the Northern Nevada desert. Just step out my back door and I am trail riding, if I wanted to... Too many people on horses out here though....
I have busted my right collar bone 2 times, my left collar bone 1 time, seperated my right shoulder 4 times, left shoulder 2 times and have a reconstructed right hand, so dirt trail riding is out for me. I prefer to fall on the street where it hurts and things bleed..... How else will I get to even out the collar bone and shoulder injuries! I still have a left hand than needs some damage!
If you like trail riding and have the time to do it, then get a trail riding bike and go once-in-a-while. Make a day out of it and it might not be so bad to trailer the bike to the riding area. That is one thing about the Northern Nevada desert. Just step out my back door and I am trail riding, if I wanted to... Too many people on horses out here though....
I have busted my right collar bone 2 times, my left collar bone 1 time, seperated my right shoulder 4 times, left shoulder 2 times and have a reconstructed right hand, so dirt trail riding is out for me. I prefer to fall on the street where it hurts and things bleed..... How else will I get to even out the collar bone and shoulder injuries!
I still have a left hand than needs some damage!
#20
04-30-2009, 08:43 AM
Ouch!
Yep, trail riding will definately bust you up. I've been lucky, a few broken fingers, bad sprains, and a hell of a lot of burns.
I slid one into a ravine one time on it's side. I thought I was a dead man. All I got was cuts, bruises, and a really bad burn on my right leg that left a few scars. Other than that, I was unscathed! Amazing! I took out 3 or 4 little trees on the way down, too.
Yeah, I heard that the military was using the KLRs. Didn't know they were diesel, but that makes sense. I just looked up a video of one. Pretty neat.
I guess a dedicated trailbike wouldn't be too bad. I'll keep looking around....
Yep, trail riding will definately bust you up. I've been lucky, a few broken fingers, bad sprains, and a hell of a lot of burns.
I slid one into a ravine one time on it's side. I thought I was a dead man. All I got was cuts, bruises, and a really bad burn on my right leg that left a few scars. Other than that, I was unscathed! Amazing! I took out 3 or 4 little trees on the way down, too.
Yeah, I heard that the military was using the KLRs. Didn't know they were diesel, but that makes sense. I just looked up a video of one. Pretty neat.
I guess a dedicated trailbike wouldn't be too bad. I'll keep looking around....