I am out of ideas :icon_cry:
#111
Well The bike runs pretty well now, but there is still a little something going on. It starts up really fast when it is cold, (with choke) then runs well but it won't rev past 6,000rpms, and if I shut it down and try to start it again it is really difficult. I have to give it a little choke and a lot of throttle. It also doesn't seem to have as much power as it used to, especially around 4,000-5,500rpms. 3 plugs are white and the #3 plug is a healthy brown. Thinking maybe a vacuum leak? Also fyi, I synced the carbs.
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Well its good to hear that it is still running at least ...lol
The plugs should not be white ... that is a sign of being too lean (not enough fuel) a mixture issue !! air adjustment ... which might explain her running out of power after 5-6 thousand rpm
Are you using full choke on a cold start ?
Are you having to touch the throttle when you cold start her ?
Normal start procedure is no throttle and full choke ..
, once they are warm , it should start with no throttle and no choke (obviously)
Is she idling at the correct RPM when standing still once warm ?
A vacuum leak ?... could be , but they would usually run like a bag of chit and not start too good if that was happening ...
The plugs should not be white ... that is a sign of being too lean (not enough fuel) a mixture issue !! air adjustment ... which might explain her running out of power after 5-6 thousand rpm
Are you using full choke on a cold start ?
Are you having to touch the throttle when you cold start her ?
Normal start procedure is no throttle and full choke ..
, once they are warm , it should start with no throttle and no choke (obviously)
Is she idling at the correct RPM when standing still once warm ?
A vacuum leak ?... could be , but they would usually run like a bag of chit and not start too good if that was happening ...
Last edited by CBRclassic; 01-17-2010 at 04:26 PM.
#113
Yeah, I have full choke, no throttle. I let the bike warm up for a few minutes, with the choke on full, and if I give it throttle or take any choke off it dies. I have to let it warm up with choke, take off the choke and then start it up again. It will start but runs bad, I give it a good rev and then it idles at 1000 rpms and is perfect.
Yes, she is idling at correct rpms when warm.
Yes, she is idling at correct rpms when warm.
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Pablo , I think that because you have had her apart so many times , one of the settings must be out ...
Tuning the carbs again is where I would start ..
All you can do before pulling her apart yet again is re check everything again...
Mixture settings are still my guess due to the 3 white plugs... I think the too lean issue would cause the lack of power and rough running for sure ...
BTW - "giving her some beans" means giving her some gas ... ( a bit of hard throttle )
Wish we could help you more mate , but we can only suggest the obvious to you ...
Tuning the carbs again is where I would start ..
All you can do before pulling her apart yet again is re check everything again...
Mixture settings are still my guess due to the 3 white plugs... I think the too lean issue would cause the lack of power and rough running for sure ...
BTW - "giving her some beans" means giving her some gas ... ( a bit of hard throttle )
Wish we could help you more mate , but we can only suggest the obvious to you ...
#117
I Pulled out the carbs again and replaced the seals between the carbs and it is much better now. But plugs 1 & 4 are still a but lean. I am going to adjust those pilot screws and if that doesn't work I will check the float levels again. It runs pretty well, the starting procedure is the same as before and when I am going along and have it reved at 5500 to 6000 it surges. What do you think?
#120
Pablo, I have been in and out of this thread over the past weeks/month, so bear with me if I am . I am NOT a "know it all", I just know how frustrating an issue like this can be!
The carbs have various circuits and jets, right? They are used at various speeds and throttle openings. If when u have the engine warmed up, and open the throttle all the way, use are using the main jet, (and maybe the others too). My point is to verify which part of the "throttle opening" is causing the issue. If the plugs are "white/very light" and you have not run the bike at WOT under load, your mixture is DANGEROUSLY VERY LEAN.
I can tell you, from experience with hotrod VWs, PWCs and motorcycle carbs. that if the main is not flowing correctly the rest of the system won't work correctly.(beyond 1/4 throttle)
If the pilot jets are blocked it will only effect very part throttle, and once past that it will work "ok" but not really right.
If it were me, I would start again, and verify; good fresh fuel, screens in tank are flowing correctly, fuel is flowing correctly from tank when vacuum is applied, float level is correct ( set using the procedure in the repair manual, which was different than I had done it with other carbs), then verify that ALL jets are correct size, clean and clear, then make sure no debris is in the carbs, ( I have fixed a problem, just to have it come right back from debris in the carbs/fuel system), then set pilot screws to factory spec., and try again.
I am sure that you have probably checked these areas already, but something is still not correct so something is not right.
I feel your pain, I had my carbs off 6 times over 2 month before I got them right.
If U think I may be able to help, u can call me, PM me for my number, I'm in Central time zone.
Best of Luck To YOU.
The carbs have various circuits and jets, right? They are used at various speeds and throttle openings. If when u have the engine warmed up, and open the throttle all the way, use are using the main jet, (and maybe the others too). My point is to verify which part of the "throttle opening" is causing the issue. If the plugs are "white/very light" and you have not run the bike at WOT under load, your mixture is DANGEROUSLY VERY LEAN.
I can tell you, from experience with hotrod VWs, PWCs and motorcycle carbs. that if the main is not flowing correctly the rest of the system won't work correctly.(beyond 1/4 throttle)
If the pilot jets are blocked it will only effect very part throttle, and once past that it will work "ok" but not really right.
If it were me, I would start again, and verify; good fresh fuel, screens in tank are flowing correctly, fuel is flowing correctly from tank when vacuum is applied, float level is correct ( set using the procedure in the repair manual, which was different than I had done it with other carbs), then verify that ALL jets are correct size, clean and clear, then make sure no debris is in the carbs, ( I have fixed a problem, just to have it come right back from debris in the carbs/fuel system), then set pilot screws to factory spec., and try again.
I am sure that you have probably checked these areas already, but something is still not correct so something is not right.
I feel your pain, I had my carbs off 6 times over 2 month before I got them right.
If U think I may be able to help, u can call me, PM me for my number, I'm in Central time zone.
Best of Luck To YOU.
Last edited by tomttt; 03-27-2010 at 09:30 AM. Reason: incorrect info