I am out of ideas :icon_cry:
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I am out of ideas
My bike just won't run correctly. It is a 1988 cbr1000 and it all started with the carbs getting clogged from the rusty tank. I kreemed the tank and replaced the fuel filter and cleaned the hell out of the the carbs several times. It would be kinda hard to start and wouldn't start at all with the choke. Once it got running it was fine, but wouldn't idle very well. I soaked the carbs in cleaner for a few days, set the float levels to specs and set the pilot screws to 2.75 turns out and then blew out all the passage ways again with air then synced the carbs but it still won't idle that well. It does alright for a few seconds after I get off the freeway then dies. Two plugs are fine one, is way lean, and one is gas fouled. I don't know what to do anymore. Any ideas? Thanks
Last edited by pablohoney; 11-30-2009 at 09:03 PM.
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It does alright for a few seconds after I get off the freeway then dies. Two plugs are fine one, is way lean, and one is gas fouled. I don't know what to do anymore. Any ideas? Thanks
Pablo , from what you describe above mate , I would be looking at the float levels on those two carbs on those 2 cylinders....if the mixture screws are set / balanced correctly , the floats and the needles and seats are all that's left to cause that difference in plug color mate ...
Do you think while cleaning the carbs that you may have accidentally altered the float levels ?
( BTW - it is an easy thing to do while handling them )
Did you swap out the needle's and seats ? are they very old do you know ..?
The only other thing that may make her not idle is perhaps an air leak in the manifolds ... vac cap , line not connected corectly ...ect ect ..
Last edited by CBRclassic; 11-30-2009 at 09:08 PM.
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The float level was the last thing I did, so I couldn't have screwed it up. The needles and seats both looked fine, not old and decrepit. How much would the idle screws have to be off do this? I don't think there are any air leaks, and the caps are on tight, and I double checked the vacuum lines. What do you mean: mixture screws are set / "balanced" correctly. How do you balance them?
I had vacuum problems before and they had different problems. Bogging down mostly. I checked them all anyway.
I had vacuum problems before and they had different problems. Bogging down mostly. I checked them all anyway.
Last edited by pablohoney; 11-30-2009 at 09:38 PM.
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I am thinking that maybe I didn't adjust the pilot screws perfectly. But before I take the carbs out again I want to make slightly more sure. If one was too lean and one was too rich, would it affect the plugs noticably, or would the 45min of highway riding, on the main jets just turn the plugs normal color?
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I took out the carbs and checked the pilot screws and the were a;; where they should be, so I rode it for awhile today and it was almost over heating, on the freeway. I got it home and checked the plugs and they were the same as before. Now it will kinda start with full choke but as soon as I give it gas it dies. When it does cut out though it will make a kinda loud pop and then there was a little bit of smoke coming out of the hole on the right side of the airbox. It is also leaking a little bit of gas out of the overflow tube after I run it.
Does anyone know what is going on?!
Does anyone know what is going on?!
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Mate, what a ba5tard of a problem! If there's fuel coming out of the overflow then surely the seats in the float valves must damaged. Next time you take the carbs off (sorry, but I'm sure you'll be doing it again) hook them up to a fuel supply, and take off the bowls one at a time. Hold the carbs upright and push the floats up by hand gently several times to see if the fuel shuts off properly. It sounds like you've got the carbs spotless and adjusted at least well enough to run and this is all I can think of.
You could check with the float valves with the carbs still on still on I suppose by pulling the vacuum pipe, that operates the fuel petcock thingo, off the carbs, turn on the fuel and suck on the pipe to open the valve (you'll hear it click). If the carbs overflow it must be the float valves.
Sorry if you've already tried this as I don't know what else you've done..It's just the only thing I can think of. If you get it going again swap the plugs around and try to get a good run (not far from home ) then kill the motor still at highish revs. Then check the plugs.
Good luck mate!
You could check with the float valves with the carbs still on still on I suppose by pulling the vacuum pipe, that operates the fuel petcock thingo, off the carbs, turn on the fuel and suck on the pipe to open the valve (you'll hear it click). If the carbs overflow it must be the float valves.
Sorry if you've already tried this as I don't know what else you've done..It's just the only thing I can think of. If you get it going again swap the plugs around and try to get a good run (not far from home ) then kill the motor still at highish revs. Then check the plugs.
Good luck mate!
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Just for grins, on each carb, lift up each piston/needle with your finger to it's top and let go. What happens? Does the black-plastic piston come down smoothly with a plastic ping noise when it hits the bottom? Does it not come down? Does it come down slowly? Does it not go up? Is there no resistance when it goes up? Is there a lot of resistance when going up?
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