Another "Bike won't start"
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Not trying to step on toes, but it takes fuel (gas), spark, and air for an engine to run. Spark ignites the fuel and air allows for the burning of fuel. Timing is when things happen, such as the opening and closing of intake and exhaust valves. That said, if the timing is off by too much for some reason (or even valve adjustments are way out of spec), the motor will crank (turn over) but not start, or if it does start it will run poorly. When you checked spark, I presume you checked all the plugs, not just one. Check all fuel lines,make sure the butterflies on the throttle bodies are opening and working freely without binding. As others have said, you can also check the injectors, and IIRC, a faulty FPR might cause the bike to not start. Another thing you can try is to spray starting fluid in the throttle bodies and if the bike starts and runs for a short period or time (until the fluid is all burned) then you have eliminated both air and spark again and can look at fuel alone. And please, do keep us updated. Good luck.
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I would lean towards checking the fuel pressure regulator as nrwhiteknight suggested. Pull the vacuum line off and see if there is any sign of gas. F4i's have issues with them failing, so its worth looking into.
Also, I would try to start the bike, then right away, pull all sparkplugs to see if they are wet. Don't give them a chance to dry off. If they are wet, replace them. Many sparkplugs once fouled, especially thin electrode ones like these bikes use, will fire outside of the combustion chamber, but not inside the combustion chamber when compression and gas are added to the mix. Once they foul, they should just be replaced.
Shooting some starting fluid down the throttle bodies is also a good idea to see if you get any reaction.
I would also make sure you connected all of the wires back up to the battery. Some bikes have more than one lead going to the battery besides the main cables. Its probably not the issue, but just throwing it out there just in case.
Also, I would try to start the bike, then right away, pull all sparkplugs to see if they are wet. Don't give them a chance to dry off. If they are wet, replace them. Many sparkplugs once fouled, especially thin electrode ones like these bikes use, will fire outside of the combustion chamber, but not inside the combustion chamber when compression and gas are added to the mix. Once they foul, they should just be replaced.
Shooting some starting fluid down the throttle bodies is also a good idea to see if you get any reaction.
I would also make sure you connected all of the wires back up to the battery. Some bikes have more than one lead going to the battery besides the main cables. Its probably not the issue, but just throwing it out there just in case.
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I hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving. I just got home and I had an opportunity to do the fuel flow test I mentioned. The service manual states that is has to flow 6.4 US oz. for 10 seconds at the battery charged to 12V. Well my battery read at 12.5 volts and I performed the test. The results showed that the fuel system is flowing at only about 3 oz! That is only half of what it should be. I will be inspecting the fuel hose and fuel return hose, fuel filter, and pressure regulator tomorrow. I feel like I'm finally getting somewhere with this.
I hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving. I just got home and I had an opportunity to do the fuel flow test I mentioned. The service manual states that is has to flow 6.4 US oz. for 10 seconds at the battery charged to 12V. Well my battery read at 12.5 volts and I performed the test. The results showed that the fuel system is flowing at only about 3 oz! That is only half of what it should be. I will be inspecting the fuel hose and fuel return hose, fuel filter, and pressure regulator tomorrow. I feel like I'm finally getting somewhere with this.
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Sorry, I haven't had much time to work on the bike due to the holiday weekend. Since I did the fuel flow test and some fuel acutually returned from the fuel pressure regulator, I'm assuming the fuel pressure regulator is okay and not enough fuel is getting to the system. So the fuel return hose, fuel hose, and fuel filter is what it's coming down to and I'm leaning towards the fuel filter. Besides doing a fuel flow test, is there anyway of checking the fuel filter to see if it's faulty or not? I just want to make sure it's the problem before I drop $60.00 on a new one. If anyone has any other advice, please feel free to let me know what you think.
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I finally got a chance to work on the bike today and I got the gas tank off to proceed with the fuel filter. I decided to look at my spark plugs and I noticed that the ignition coils on cylinders 2 and 3 weren't seated properly. They moved up and down. I was wondering how could of that happened. I have no idea, but I think this maybe the problem that is causing the bike to not start. I'm glad I didn't disassemble the fuel pump, but I have having to get new sealing washers for the banjo bolt I took off at the fuel hose. Once I get those and put it back together, I'll let you guys know what happens. Man I feel like an idiot.
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