Where's the skill at?
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Dear Woods;
As I re-read both of our posts, I did not see anywhere that I have mentioned that your claim was that ”wheelies are easier than turning”. I don’t think over simplified anything you said and that’s because I did not write that. Either directly or implicitly have I not written any of that, so I am a bit lost on why you even wrote "oversimplified" because those were not my words!
Its not that I did not read your post; its more of that you misinterpreted mines. I am not here to post in disagreement, I am here to present a persuasive argument that pushing the bike to do what it can and not what it was meant for is more of a challenge and anything else. That same understanding can be applied to the track purpose
You kept mentioning that the bike comes up with a hard roll of the throttle. That’s true! However, can you keep the bike’s front end up with just a roll of the throttle for more than a minute? I know I can. It takes more than that. Also, you said that because of the short wheel base and powerful engine and brakes the bike can do perform stunt. Again, that’s true. However, that short wheel base, engine and brakes were not created for the purpose for stunting. They were intended for street and track. It’s the user of the bike that decided to utilize this machine to perform stunts. And that’s because the bike can do that but it was not meant for that, which make it less natural for the rider to pick this up and learn those things.
I know that you are more sympathetic to the track and track racing. It easy for you to get over zealous and defend you interests but we are not talking about which form of riding is more difficult to compete in. We were talking about which is harder to learn. Well, at least I was.
Good stuff, good points.
As I re-read both of our posts, I did not see anywhere that I have mentioned that your claim was that ”wheelies are easier than turning”. I don’t think over simplified anything you said and that’s because I did not write that. Either directly or implicitly have I not written any of that, so I am a bit lost on why you even wrote "oversimplified" because those were not my words!
Its not that I did not read your post; its more of that you misinterpreted mines. I am not here to post in disagreement, I am here to present a persuasive argument that pushing the bike to do what it can and not what it was meant for is more of a challenge and anything else. That same understanding can be applied to the track purpose
ORIGINAL: woodyracing
and yes, motorcycles are designed with the intent to be road raced but think about it, short wheelbases, lots of power, incredible brakes, etc stunters aren't exactly getting left out in the cold here...
and yes, motorcycles are designed with the intent to be road raced but think about it, short wheelbases, lots of power, incredible brakes, etc stunters aren't exactly getting left out in the cold here...
I know that you are more sympathetic to the track and track racing. It easy for you to get over zealous and defend you interests but we are not talking about which form of riding is more difficult to compete in. We were talking about which is harder to learn. Well, at least I was.
Good stuff, good points.
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while you bishes argue...i'm practicing my poses...i'm going to get all the hot chicks with my winks and crooked smiles and the photoshoots...until my wife finds the pictures and then takes my bike away.
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sorry if I misunderstood your post, I read the part of your post, about how I said "wheelies are easy" and you go on to talk about endos and that stuff as if I said it was easy and in your counter argument you contend that making a bike do what its desinged to do is easier than to do something its not designed to do, now that point being in your response to me, made me think you were reading my post as I'm saying stunting is easy, turning is hard, which is an oversimplification
if thats not what you meant, I apoligize, didn't mean to insult you or anything
if thats not what you meant, I apoligize, didn't mean to insult you or anything
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RE: Where's the skill at?
ORIGINAL: alekinci
Dear Woods;
As I re-read both of our posts, I did not see anywhere that I have mentioned that your claim was that ”wheelies are easier than turning”. I don’t think over simplified anything you said and that’s because I did not write that. Either directly or implicitly have I not written any of that, so I am a bit lost on why you even wrote "oversimplified" because those were not my words!
Its not that I did not read your post; its more of that you misinterpreted mines. I am not here to post in disagreement, I am here to present a persuasive argument that pushing the bike to do what it can and not what it was meant for is more of a challenge and anything else. That same understanding can be applied to the track purpose
You kept mentioning that the bike comes up with a hard roll of the throttle. That’s true! However, can you keep the bike’s front end up with just a roll of the throttle for more than a minute? I know I can. It takes more than that. Also, you said that because of the short wheel base and powerful engine and brakes the bike can do perform stunt. Again, that’s true. However, that short wheel base, engine and brakes were not created for the purpose for stunting. They were intended for street and track. It’s the user of the bike that decided to utilize this machine to perform stunts. And that’s because the bike can do that but it was not meant for that, which make it less natural for the rider to pick this up and learn those things.
I know that you are more sympathetic to the track and track racing. It easy for you to get over zealous and defend you interests but we are not talking about which form of riding is more difficult to compete in. We were talking about which is harder to learn. Well, at least I was.
Good stuff, good points.
Dear Woods;
As I re-read both of our posts, I did not see anywhere that I have mentioned that your claim was that ”wheelies are easier than turning”. I don’t think over simplified anything you said and that’s because I did not write that. Either directly or implicitly have I not written any of that, so I am a bit lost on why you even wrote "oversimplified" because those were not my words!
Its not that I did not read your post; its more of that you misinterpreted mines. I am not here to post in disagreement, I am here to present a persuasive argument that pushing the bike to do what it can and not what it was meant for is more of a challenge and anything else. That same understanding can be applied to the track purpose
ORIGINAL: woodyracing
and yes, motorcycles are designed with the intent to be road raced but think about it, short wheelbases, lots of power, incredible brakes, etc stunters aren't exactly getting left out in the cold here...
and yes, motorcycles are designed with the intent to be road raced but think about it, short wheelbases, lots of power, incredible brakes, etc stunters aren't exactly getting left out in the cold here...
I know that you are more sympathetic to the track and track racing. It easy for you to get over zealous and defend you interests but we are not talking about which form of riding is more difficult to compete in. We were talking about which is harder to learn. Well, at least I was.
Good stuff, good points.
its when you get to, as your talking about, finding the balance point of a wheelie or doing more advanced stunts that it starts taking skill, just as learning to take a corner at speed on a race track takes a lot more skill than a simple turn on the street.
I see what your saying about learning to balance a wheelie being harder than learning to turn a motorcycle, but I don't think the two are equivalent. I'm well aware that anybody with a few days of riding experience can make a turn, but how bout doing that on a track (just because its the safest place to do it) at speed? to me those are more accurate comparisons.
and as for bike design, why does intent matter? if a short wheel base, strong motor, brakes, etc help in stunting, what does it matter that they weren'tdonespecifically for that?
If 2 big front rotors were intended to make a bike stop faster on the track, is it less effective while stunting??? Does the high horespower only kick in when your on a race track???
and why does my opinion have to be solely based on a bias towards racing? Yes racing is what I like to do, but can my opinion not simply be an educated one? again, I haven't said that racing is more difficult or takes more skill than stunt riding
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i think it takes skill to do any discipline correctly whether it be twisties or stunting and anybody that has learned those skills has my respect. i know i have a long way to go but i wouldnt mind being able to do it all.
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