Questions on 1st bike purchase...
once you've ridden for a while everything becomes pure instinct. buy it if you think you have enough self-control to respect it. my first bike was a 98' zx6r. i've owned everthing from a 600 to v-twin 1000. you'll be fine, just remember the throttle turns both ways and ride defensively
Alright... I dont want this to get any more out of hand.
Thanks to everyone who responded.
knightslugger, i see where you are coming from, and thanks for the input!
i have changed my mind and i will carry full coverage, as long as i can get cheaper than what geico quoted me $560 a month.. ill be calling state farm today.
but thanks for answering my questions and giving me input even tho everyone doesnt agree.
Thanks to everyone who responded.
knightslugger, i see where you are coming from, and thanks for the input!
i have changed my mind and i will carry full coverage, as long as i can get cheaper than what geico quoted me $560 a month.. ill be calling state farm today.
but thanks for answering my questions and giving me input even tho everyone doesnt agree.
Of course the powerband would be very very different, but a new rider riding in good sense would not 'accidentally' rev it anywhere close to the sweet spot. Down low in the RPMs it'll be fine. Sure the actual characteristics are very different, they are different bike for different purposes. What im trying to get at is a 600RR or a lesser bike could get you into some deep trouble no matter what. Thats if the person respects the bike. I learned the basics on a friends Ninja 250 and my first bike was my CBR600RR and i've ridden many other bikes, despite the very different horsepower ratings they were all jerky and touchy in there own ways.
ORIGINAL: slipper
a new rider riding in good sense would not 'accidentally' rev it anywhere close to the sweet spot.
a new rider riding in good sense would not 'accidentally' rev it anywhere close to the sweet spot.
I think you give too much credibility to sensable riding, and not enough to the stupid things that can happen to even the most sensable person when you through in a variable such the unfamiliar. What you said not only can happen, it does. far too frequent to say that it wouldn't happen. all it takes is a moment. you could take someone who has let the clutch out too fast, almost stalls the engine, crab the clutch to recover but forgets to close the throttle. the sound of the engine revving frightens them and they have a complete lapse of sensability and drop the clutch. Happens all the time, even to more seasoned riders who don't have that happen very often. all it takes in once.
ORIGINAL: knightslugger
Oh really? 1st gear, 0-redline in >2 sec, time to sweet spot = >1 sec.
I think you give too much credibility to sensable riding, and not enough to the stupid things that can happen to even the most sensable person when you through in a variable such the unfamiliar. What you said not only can happen, it does. far too frequent to say that it wouldn't happen. all it takes is a moment. you could take someone who has let the clutch out too fast, almost stalls the engine, crab the clutch to recover but forgets to close the throttle. the sound of the engine revving frightens them and they have a complete lapse of sensability and drop the clutch. Happens all the time, even to more seasoned riders who don't have that happen very often. all it takes in once.
ORIGINAL: slipper
a new rider riding in good sense would not 'accidentally' rev it anywhere close to the sweet spot.
a new rider riding in good sense would not 'accidentally' rev it anywhere close to the sweet spot.
I think you give too much credibility to sensable riding, and not enough to the stupid things that can happen to even the most sensable person when you through in a variable such the unfamiliar. What you said not only can happen, it does. far too frequent to say that it wouldn't happen. all it takes is a moment. you could take someone who has let the clutch out too fast, almost stalls the engine, crab the clutch to recover but forgets to close the throttle. the sound of the engine revving frightens them and they have a complete lapse of sensability and drop the clutch. Happens all the time, even to more seasoned riders who don't have that happen very often. all it takes in once.
your situation could happen with any bike and get the same outcome.
Anyways, the discussion is over. I've seen many start off with a sport bike and none with a major incident, maybe you've seen many with incident. My opinion is if the person is responsible, a 600RR would be just fine.
yo...as a new rider...you will have times when you accidentally wack the throttle and what not...in a turn, in some bit of gravel, etc...and that's when you'll be happy that you have full coverage...or not...
it just hurts more the more bling the bike is, the newer the bike is, and the bigger the bike is...
yes, you can ride defensively and what not...but not all elements are under your control...and it's the ones that not that will bite you hard or harder or hardest depending on what you're riding.
but in the end...it is your hide and it is your bike so buy what you would like!!!
it's just so shameful when guys on brand new RRs, 1K and 600RR...pose like they ride all great and such...when in fact...they are newbs...and have the latest and greatest everything...only to be passed up by someone on technology that's 10X older...
SO GET IT BUT DON'T BE A POSER...only thing that's allowed for posing are sato and moriwaki rearsets...all else is a no no...
it just hurts more the more bling the bike is, the newer the bike is, and the bigger the bike is...
yes, you can ride defensively and what not...but not all elements are under your control...and it's the ones that not that will bite you hard or harder or hardest depending on what you're riding.
but in the end...it is your hide and it is your bike so buy what you would like!!!
it's just so shameful when guys on brand new RRs, 1K and 600RR...pose like they ride all great and such...when in fact...they are newbs...and have the latest and greatest everything...only to be passed up by someone on technology that's 10X older...
SO GET IT BUT DON'T BE A POSER...only thing that's allowed for posing are sato and moriwaki rearsets...all else is a no no...
damn, how did i miss this whole thread.
how many times are we going to have to do this? im getting tired of reading it over and over again, but some reason i cant stop. at the same time i see people come and say i want a new 600rr or 1000rr cause it looks badass, i know if i RESPECT it, it wont bite me. HA. how do you respect something that you are unfamiliar with? no one said its not possible at all to get a 600rr as a first bike and survive, its just not a good idea. not for anyone. there are people who have done this and been fine as previously posted, someone will always beat the odds, but what about those that didnt because of lack of experience? do you want to be one of those guys because you were distracted by being cool?
are you more worried of being treated differently because you dont have on 06, or would it bother you more being different cause you are in a wheelchair, or are missing an arm or leg? come on man, nobody really wants to see you get hurt, we have all seen too many of those pics. make an educated decision here. once you start riding city, its totally different than riding country roads. way more places for people to pull out from, to try and run you over from, more stopping traffic, more moving traffic, more debris, and so on and so on.
as much as i really dont care what an unexperienced rider buys and/or wrecks and/or breaks of his bones, they still affect my insurance rates thus having its affect on me, i care. do you want to know why you are getting quoted $500 a month? its not cause they dont like you. its cause too many people think they can handle what they cant, and end up wrecking it. bottom line you came here asking for advice on a purchase, this is the internet, you are going to get more than you asked for. we all realize you are going to do what you want. so do it.
OH YEAH! as far as the full coverage goes. if you finance through the honda or zuki card, its is a CREDIT CARD, not an auto loan. you just bought a bike on a credit card, meaning there is no lein on the bike. if you wreck it, you still have to pay the card off, with no bike. my cousin did this with a GSXR1000. he now has $10,000 credit card loan, and it still paying. if you get an auto loan they require insurance to cover their loss instantly at time of loss. and a motorcycle loan is considered recreational, so its harder to get. and yes a CU will always be better to get loans from if you have history there. i have had an account at the same CU for over 10 years and they will loan me anything.
how many times are we going to have to do this? im getting tired of reading it over and over again, but some reason i cant stop. at the same time i see people come and say i want a new 600rr or 1000rr cause it looks badass, i know if i RESPECT it, it wont bite me. HA. how do you respect something that you are unfamiliar with? no one said its not possible at all to get a 600rr as a first bike and survive, its just not a good idea. not for anyone. there are people who have done this and been fine as previously posted, someone will always beat the odds, but what about those that didnt because of lack of experience? do you want to be one of those guys because you were distracted by being cool?
are you more worried of being treated differently because you dont have on 06, or would it bother you more being different cause you are in a wheelchair, or are missing an arm or leg? come on man, nobody really wants to see you get hurt, we have all seen too many of those pics. make an educated decision here. once you start riding city, its totally different than riding country roads. way more places for people to pull out from, to try and run you over from, more stopping traffic, more moving traffic, more debris, and so on and so on.
as much as i really dont care what an unexperienced rider buys and/or wrecks and/or breaks of his bones, they still affect my insurance rates thus having its affect on me, i care. do you want to know why you are getting quoted $500 a month? its not cause they dont like you. its cause too many people think they can handle what they cant, and end up wrecking it. bottom line you came here asking for advice on a purchase, this is the internet, you are going to get more than you asked for. we all realize you are going to do what you want. so do it.
OH YEAH! as far as the full coverage goes. if you finance through the honda or zuki card, its is a CREDIT CARD, not an auto loan. you just bought a bike on a credit card, meaning there is no lein on the bike. if you wreck it, you still have to pay the card off, with no bike. my cousin did this with a GSXR1000. he now has $10,000 credit card loan, and it still paying. if you get an auto loan they require insurance to cover their loss instantly at time of loss. and a motorcycle loan is considered recreational, so its harder to get. and yes a CU will always be better to get loans from if you have history there. i have had an account at the same CU for over 10 years and they will loan me anything.
as far as i could tell that is what the deal is. the other catch is they give you like a 2 year intro apr to make payments $99 for zuki, and either $39 or $69 for honda. then once the intro apr is done with, if you didnt pay extra each month, your apr skyrockets and your payments go up significantly.


