Lookin at the RR for my first
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first
ORIGINAL: cstratton04
I started with a 600rr two months ago and would deffinately recommend not doing it. You can learn on one of these bikes (granted you are responsible) but like they said, the learning curve is slower. Swallow your pride and get a simpler bike.
I started with a 600rr two months ago and would deffinately recommend not doing it. You can learn on one of these bikes (granted you are responsible) but like they said, the learning curve is slower. Swallow your pride and get a simpler bike.
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first
ORIGINAL: cstratton04
I started with a 600rr two months ago and would deffinately recommend not doing it. You can learn on one of these bikes (granted you are responsible) but like they said, the learning curve is slower. Swallow your pride and get a simpler bike.
I started with a 600rr two months ago and would deffinately recommend not doing it. You can learn on one of these bikes (granted you are responsible) but like they said, the learning curve is slower. Swallow your pride and get a simpler bike.
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I took this from another thread on here where this was posted and it should be READ COMPLETELY and thought about.
Welcome to the passion of riding!
Now to answer your question ... note that the following is not written by me (it is written by a fellow rider) ... I've just condensed it a bit (believe it or not); I happen to agree with most of the following but you will get varying responses of all types from fellow riders and will have to make your own decision. Good Luck! Smile
One of the most common questions new sport bike riders have is, “What kind of sport bike should I get?â€
Getting ANY modern 600cc sport bike for a first ride is not a good idea for new riders (far, far, far worse is a 750cc or 1000cc).
Here are a few reasons why:
1. Knowledge of Subject Matter ...
When anyone starts something new they find themselves at the most basic starting level of the learning curve. Like riding a bicycle, you would not start this learning curve on a ten speed. This is to say that it takes knowledge OF something in order to understand how that something works, functions, performs, etc. Now let's return to the world of motorcycles. A beginner has NO motorcycle experience. They are not even aware of the power, mistakes, handling, shifting, turning dynamics etc. of any bike, let alone a high performance sport bike. Not only do they lack the SKILL of how to ride a motorcycle, they also lack the knowledge of what skills are even used when riding a motorcycle. Acquiring those skills comes only with experience and learning from your mistakes. As one moves through the learning curve they begin to amass new information…they also make mistakes. A ton of them.
2. The Learning Curve ...
While learning to do something, you make mistakes. Without mistakes the learning process is impossible. A mistake on a sport bike can be fatal. The thing new riders need to learn above anything else is smooth throttle control, proper speed, and how to lean properly going into turns. A 600cc bike can hit over 60mph in about 4 to 6 seconds. A simple beginners mishap with that much power and torque can cost you your life (or a few limbs) before you even knew what happened. Grab a handful of throttle going into a turn and you may end up crossing that little yellow line on the road into on-coming traffic…**shudder**. Bikes that are more forgiving of mistakes are far safer (not to mention, more fun) to learn on.
Unfortunately safety concerns with a first motorcycle aren’t as apparent as they are with other motorized vehicle purchases. However, the wrong choice of what equipment to learn on can be just as deadly, regardless of how safe, careful, and level-headed you intend to be.
3. “But I will be safe, responsible, and level-headed while learning" ...
Sorry, but this line of reasoning only works for some, do you want to gamble & guess if your are in that group or live to figure it out? Keep in mind that very few people buy a bike thinking they are not one of the above, unfortunately however, riders are routinely injured or worse, many while making "newbie" mistakes. To be safe you also need SKILL (throttle control, speed, leaning, etc). Skill comes ONLY with experience. To gain experience you must ride in real traffic, with real cars, and real dangers. Before that experience is developed, you are best suited with a bike that won’t severely punish you for minor mistakes. A cutting edge race bike is not one of these bikes.
Start with a solid foundation in the basics, and then move up. Many people say "just respect it and you'll be fine" or that “maturity†will help you be safe with motorcycles. They are correct. However, maturity and respect have NOTHING to do with riding a motorcycle (that is where [b]s
Welcome to the passion of riding!
Now to answer your question ... note that the following is not written by me (it is written by a fellow rider) ... I've just condensed it a bit (believe it or not); I happen to agree with most of the following but you will get varying responses of all types from fellow riders and will have to make your own decision. Good Luck! Smile
One of the most common questions new sport bike riders have is, “What kind of sport bike should I get?â€
Getting ANY modern 600cc sport bike for a first ride is not a good idea for new riders (far, far, far worse is a 750cc or 1000cc).
Here are a few reasons why:
1. Knowledge of Subject Matter ...
When anyone starts something new they find themselves at the most basic starting level of the learning curve. Like riding a bicycle, you would not start this learning curve on a ten speed. This is to say that it takes knowledge OF something in order to understand how that something works, functions, performs, etc. Now let's return to the world of motorcycles. A beginner has NO motorcycle experience. They are not even aware of the power, mistakes, handling, shifting, turning dynamics etc. of any bike, let alone a high performance sport bike. Not only do they lack the SKILL of how to ride a motorcycle, they also lack the knowledge of what skills are even used when riding a motorcycle. Acquiring those skills comes only with experience and learning from your mistakes. As one moves through the learning curve they begin to amass new information…they also make mistakes. A ton of them.
2. The Learning Curve ...
While learning to do something, you make mistakes. Without mistakes the learning process is impossible. A mistake on a sport bike can be fatal. The thing new riders need to learn above anything else is smooth throttle control, proper speed, and how to lean properly going into turns. A 600cc bike can hit over 60mph in about 4 to 6 seconds. A simple beginners mishap with that much power and torque can cost you your life (or a few limbs) before you even knew what happened. Grab a handful of throttle going into a turn and you may end up crossing that little yellow line on the road into on-coming traffic…**shudder**. Bikes that are more forgiving of mistakes are far safer (not to mention, more fun) to learn on.
Unfortunately safety concerns with a first motorcycle aren’t as apparent as they are with other motorized vehicle purchases. However, the wrong choice of what equipment to learn on can be just as deadly, regardless of how safe, careful, and level-headed you intend to be.
3. “But I will be safe, responsible, and level-headed while learning" ...
Sorry, but this line of reasoning only works for some, do you want to gamble & guess if your are in that group or live to figure it out? Keep in mind that very few people buy a bike thinking they are not one of the above, unfortunately however, riders are routinely injured or worse, many while making "newbie" mistakes. To be safe you also need SKILL (throttle control, speed, leaning, etc). Skill comes ONLY with experience. To gain experience you must ride in real traffic, with real cars, and real dangers. Before that experience is developed, you are best suited with a bike that won’t severely punish you for minor mistakes. A cutting edge race bike is not one of these bikes.
Start with a solid foundation in the basics, and then move up. Many people say "just respect it and you'll be fine" or that “maturity†will help you be safe with motorcycles. They are correct. However, maturity and respect have NOTHING to do with riding a motorcycle (that is where [b]s
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first
ORIGINAL: cbrookie
This is the truth. I bought one as an investment because it needed a lot of work.siince finishing it and puttinga few miles on it to test everything and all that crap, id have to say, somebody who isnt experienced should NOT have one of these. You want one because your buddy has one, and youpick one of the baddest bikes out there to jump on? Now you are going to go riding with him, get a little pumped up while watching him do something, get in way over your head, and now you have a wrecked 600rr, and that guy who just rode by on his new ninja 250 was laughing so hard healmost wrecked.
ORIGINAL: cstratton04
I started with a 600rr two months ago and would deffinately recommend not doing it. You can learn on one of these bikes (granted you are responsible) but like they said, the learning curve is slower. Swallow your pride and get a simpler bike.
I started with a 600rr two months ago and would deffinately recommend not doing it. You can learn on one of these bikes (granted you are responsible) but like they said, the learning curve is slower. Swallow your pride and get a simpler bike.
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ORIGINAL: Lookin4abike
not because he go tone..because I have wanted one for a while...never had money until about 2 years ago...and I was too into my car and blew all my cash on that. he wont do anything dumb because its his first bike too! Im not one to follow..I usually watch.
not because he go tone..because I have wanted one for a while...never had money until about 2 years ago...and I was too into my car and blew all my cash on that. he wont do anything dumb because its his first bike too! Im not one to follow..I usually watch.
You'll more than likely develop a bunch of bad habits because you'll be learning on a machine out of your league and will be relying on reactions based on fear and primal reflexes (Keith Code calls these Survival Reactions)...these elements can get you into alot of trouble in a panic situation and can cause negative things to occur in the bike due to thewrong inputs you'll be constantly giving it.
Best thing you can do is educate yourself, because it's obvious you're set on getting one, so start with the MSF course, read all the books you can (Twist of the Wrist, Sport Bike Riding Techniques, Total Control)...eventually take it a step further and get to a track school and do track days...knowledge is your best friend!
**talking like Forest Gump** and that's all I got to say about that...
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first
"Lookin4abike"...........I would recommend listening to the advice given on this site, it's extremely helpful.
The current models of 600cc sport bikes we have today are just as fast and powerful as older model GP race bikes. They are NOT beginner bikes in any sense. These bikes are not like your Acura Integra Type-R's..........the "R" designation on modern 600cc sport bikes actually mean something.........they're damn quick........and meant to perform above anything else.
Is a 600cc sport bike "do-able" as a first bike, sure. Not the best choice, but it's do-able. It all depends on the head between the shoulders of the rider. If the rider is stubborn and unwilling to humble themselves to take some friendly advice from more experienced riders, then no. Ego's and sport bikes don't mix well.
The current models of 600cc sport bikes we have today are just as fast and powerful as older model GP race bikes. They are NOT beginner bikes in any sense. These bikes are not like your Acura Integra Type-R's..........the "R" designation on modern 600cc sport bikes actually mean something.........they're damn quick........and meant to perform above anything else.
Is a 600cc sport bike "do-able" as a first bike, sure. Not the best choice, but it's do-able. It all depends on the head between the shoulders of the rider. If the rider is stubborn and unwilling to humble themselves to take some friendly advice from more experienced riders, then no. Ego's and sport bikes don't mix well.
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first
When I bought mine new I was determined to test ride everything on the market first and test it like I stole it haha. Personally what sold me was the over all handling . Both comfortable as a commuter and an absolute weapon thru the twisties with enough go to still put the wind up Grandmar! At the end of the day only you will know the right bike for you.Weare all different peoplewith our own perceptions and influences.I am verry happy with my choice and a proud owner. Enjoy ur test rides ; Kearnsy
