Extended Swing Arms & Lowered 600rr's
#21
10-17-2006, 01:06 PM
RE: Extended Swing Arms & Lowered 600rr's
I'm going to do what hunk did and post about 10 of the same replies:
HondaCBR600RRhunk...I asked a friend of mine...someone who I greatly respect and races professionally and here's what he said:
Read and learn...ok?
HondaCBR600RRhunk...I asked a friend of mine...someone who I greatly respect and races professionally and here's what he said:
It depends... Just the front? Just the rear? both?
1" is pretty dramatic. If you go from either end alone, the geometry will be all screwed up and it will handle poorly. You will either turn in WAY too fast (front dropped) or turn in WAY too slow (rear dropped).
In every instance, you're going to sacrafice ground clearance which is a HUGE deal on the 600rr. If you're commuting and don't really lean that much, you can get by with it without having a problem, but if you're to the edge of your tires right now (or close to it), you will be dragging pegs, plastics and ultimately case covers until you crash.
Additionally, unless you go with an aftermarket shock to lower the rear, you're stuck using 'dog-bones' to lower it. This REALLY screws up the lever ratio of the rear pro-link suspension. The angles on the 'C' piece of the linkage change pretty significantly which affects the pull on the bike, which affects how the rear shock works.
Overall, lowering the bike is a bad idea. Can it be done? Yes. The proper way to do it would be to:
Replace the rear shock with something aftermarket that can be built shorter.
Lower the front end to match the rear.
Use offset triple clamps to correct the new steering angle.
The total cost on all of this would be around $2000 if not a few bucks more because you would need to have some sort of chassis measurement to ensure the front end is setup right.
Can you do it cheap and have it turn out right? Not really. You're going to sacrafice handling, ground clearance and overall stability.
Hope that helps..
1" is pretty dramatic. If you go from either end alone, the geometry will be all screwed up and it will handle poorly. You will either turn in WAY too fast (front dropped) or turn in WAY too slow (rear dropped).
In every instance, you're going to sacrafice ground clearance which is a HUGE deal on the 600rr. If you're commuting and don't really lean that much, you can get by with it without having a problem, but if you're to the edge of your tires right now (or close to it), you will be dragging pegs, plastics and ultimately case covers until you crash.
Additionally, unless you go with an aftermarket shock to lower the rear, you're stuck using 'dog-bones' to lower it. This REALLY screws up the lever ratio of the rear pro-link suspension. The angles on the 'C' piece of the linkage change pretty significantly which affects the pull on the bike, which affects how the rear shock works.
Overall, lowering the bike is a bad idea. Can it be done? Yes. The proper way to do it would be to:
Replace the rear shock with something aftermarket that can be built shorter.
Lower the front end to match the rear.
Use offset triple clamps to correct the new steering angle.
The total cost on all of this would be around $2000 if not a few bucks more because you would need to have some sort of chassis measurement to ensure the front end is setup right.
Can you do it cheap and have it turn out right? Not really. You're going to sacrafice handling, ground clearance and overall stability.
Hope that helps..
#22
10-17-2006, 02:41 PM
RE: Extended Swing Arms & Lowered 600rr's
$2000 for the bike to be lowered right?? What are you smoking? Seriously. I haven't had any issues and many others on here who have lowered their bike haven't had issues. YOU TELL ME TO READ AND LEARN. I tell you to EXPERIENCE IT FIRST HAND, AND LEARN BETTER. Its this type of propaganda that people need to be aware of. It maybe true if your lowering the bike dramatically, but 1" is not going to throw everything off. I read in a cycle mag, that the crew lowered their bike 1" in the back only, and this made the rider have better lap times, yes an improvement. For those wanting to lower your bike 1", go for it. Don't let other members convince you to do the opposite. If they really have to convince you not to do it, then there is a good reason for it, and it may not be in your best interest. Lower your ride a bit, and enjoy. Tell me how things are after you do it. You will love it, and you will notice a positive difference. Honestly.
As for me typing to all those other threads about lowering. Well if you didn't suggest NOT to do it, I wouldn't have to throw in my opinion to do otherwise. There is a reason why your a super member. If you ride more than you are on the computer answering threads, than maybe you would see for yourself what you can learn from riding your bike. Let those that want to lower their bike, to lower it okay bud?! Your discouraging people from doing it, just from what a buddy or two are saying about it. I've been there, and done it, you haven't. So your words are empty. Like I said before do it, and see how good it is. You will notice a better difference all around. If you don't like it, you can always spend another hour and remove it, and put the stocker in. Capeesh?!!
As for me typing to all those other threads about lowering. Well if you didn't suggest NOT to do it, I wouldn't have to throw in my opinion to do otherwise. There is a reason why your a super member. If you ride more than you are on the computer answering threads, than maybe you would see for yourself what you can learn from riding your bike. Let those that want to lower their bike, to lower it okay bud?! Your discouraging people from doing it, just from what a buddy or two are saying about it. I've been there, and done it, you haven't. So your words are empty. Like I said before do it, and see how good it is. You will notice a better difference all around. If you don't like it, you can always spend another hour and remove it, and put the stocker in. Capeesh?!!
#23
10-17-2006, 03:58 PM
RE: Extended Swing Arms & Lowered 600rr's
I don't know which thread to reply in so I pick this one... 
hunk all you succeeded in doing is make yourself look stubborn and thick headed...I'm glad you enjoy your lowered bike, but you haven't offered anything but your opinion (as is mine but more factual).
The suspension modifications are suggested as the "right way to do it," obviously not the only way...I'm amazed that you ignored my example of the girl that crashed from her lowered bike and the very technical example from a professional racer and you discredit as "propaganda?" That amazes me!!! You make it seem like lowering your bike is one of the best kept secrets in the motorcycling community and I'm a protester spreading negative propaganda about it...what a hoot!!!
As far as needing to experience it...sorry...I don't need to lower my bike (I'm only an inch taller than you)...it handles just fine without it...you could tell me that jumping out of an airplane without a parachute is exciting and will improve my sky diving skills and I have enough common sense to be able to figure out that I don't need to experience that...get the picture.
Are you recommending that this "throwing on a dog bone secret" is something that's been missed in the racing circuit and every one should do it to improve their lap times? Maybe you misunderstood that Cycle Mag propaganda...
Like was mentioned in another thread...sure it CAN be lowered, but is it a good performance enhancing idea...no!
Oh and thanks for the laugh...
hunk all you succeeded in doing is make yourself look stubborn and thick headed...I'm glad you enjoy your lowered bike, but you haven't offered anything but your opinion (as is mine but more factual).
The suspension modifications are suggested as the "right way to do it," obviously not the only way...I'm amazed that you ignored my example of the girl that crashed from her lowered bike and the very technical example from a professional racer and you discredit as "propaganda?" That amazes me!!! You make it seem like lowering your bike is one of the best kept secrets in the motorcycling community and I'm a protester spreading negative propaganda about it...what a hoot!!!
As far as needing to experience it...sorry...I don't need to lower my bike (I'm only an inch taller than you)...it handles just fine without it...you could tell me that jumping out of an airplane without a parachute is exciting and will improve my sky diving skills and I have enough common sense to be able to figure out that I don't need to experience that...get the picture.
Are you recommending that this "throwing on a dog bone secret" is something that's been missed in the racing circuit and every one should do it to improve their lap times? Maybe you misunderstood that Cycle Mag propaganda...
Like was mentioned in another thread...sure it CAN be lowered, but is it a good performance enhancing idea...no!
Oh and thanks for the laugh...
#24
10-18-2006, 06:31 PM
RE: Extended Swing Arms & Lowered 600rr's
You know what i got out of all that ?? That even tho you have NEVER EVEN BEEN on a lowered bike your all about spouting how bad it is!!?? This is where the saying "a little knowledge can be dangerous" comes from. For an everyday ride, lowering doesn't ruin your bike !! It does change handeling but it is soooooo not as bad as your making it out to be. If you had ever rode a lowered bike, you would know that.
My sig pic is my bike lowered 3 in back and 1 1/4 in front. Does it look like its scraping bottom or dragging the oil pan ?? I just twisty'd the **** out of it on sat..... tires scrubbed to within 1/2" of the edge w/out so much as a peg scrape.
My sig pic is my bike lowered 3 in back and 1 1/4 in front. Does it look like its scraping bottom or dragging the oil pan ?? I just twisty'd the **** out of it on sat..... tires scrubbed to within 1/2" of the edge w/out so much as a peg scrape.
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