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(FIXED) Flat spot at 5k rpm

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Old 09-23-2009, 03:55 PM
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Default (FIXED) Flat spot at 5k rpm

My bike has been giving me hell, with no power at about 5k RPM. Didn't matter what gear, although in 1st it would occur later in the rpms. At about 5k rpm it'd sometime act like it was stalling, dropping speed till I downshifted or jerking back up to where it was. Only to drop again. A friend following me back from NJ said it looked like I was back on a horse in TX with all the bucking.

Final reason: Bike was starved for air at high speed
Final cause: air control valve (aka solenoid) is not functioning.

Steps to reach this conclusion:
  1. Cleaned the carbs twice
  2. Replaced non-functioning fuel pump
  3. Replaced clogged fuel filter
  4. Re-jetted bike for aftermarket exhaust + K & N air filter
  5. Adjusted pilot screws according to jet kit's instructions

All of the above improved performance in some way but the flat spot remained. Included in the Dynojet Stage 1 kit were instructions on how to bypass the solenoid for race purposes. Just did that and went for a trip around the block a few times... A very, very quick and powerful trip.

Flat spot = gone.

Thanks to everyone that helped through all this with instructions, suggestions and theories. Waaay to many to list tho JohnnyX and Dissevered a big up there.
 
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Old 09-23-2009, 04:08 PM
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damn dude, im happy for you. i've been following all your posts about your issue with the flatspot. i've been waiting for you to post what it finally was! congratulations.

on a side note... why was the solenoid causing this problem?
 
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Old 09-23-2009, 04:12 PM
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The speedo is out for some reason. I'm faaaar too tired of all these issues to figure out why right now. But tracing the electrical path in the manual, the air solenoid is connected to the speedometer via a relay. My guess is fixing the speedo will fix the solenoid (or narrow it down to the solenoid or relay)
 
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Old 09-23-2009, 08:16 PM
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Nice dude!
Glad to hear you finally fixed it. While I'm pretty sure my solenoid functions, I'd be really curious to see what kind of a difference it makes going from a functioning solenoid to a bypassed system.

I wonder if bypassing the solenoid altogether would actually increase performance..
 
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Old 09-23-2009, 08:23 PM
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From what I understand, it shouldn't affect performance bypassing the solenoid.

The solenoid is supposed to switch air flow from the tiny intakes to the ram duct at XX mph (some debate whether it's 12 mph or 30 mph). So if yours is functioning correctly, you're getting the duct's air at the right speed.
 
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Old 09-23-2009, 09:19 PM
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generally if you jetted the bike, you should ground the solenoid so its always open.
 
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Old 09-24-2009, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnyx
generally if you jetted the bike, you should ground the solenoid so its always open.
Hey Johnny,

How tough is it ground the solenoid? I am stuck in ND and with the winter coming I'm doing a tear down to the frame and figured while I was in there...

Thanks!
 
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Old 09-24-2009, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mr_santini
Hey Johnny,

How tough is it ground the solenoid? I am stuck in ND and with the winter coming I'm doing a tear down to the frame and figured while I was in there...

Thanks!
I just sent this to Johnny on how to bypass and remove the solenoid.


The solenoid is circled in the pic. To bypass it
  1. Disconnect the electrical connection from the harness
  2. Disconnect hose 11 from 10 and recover the joint (16)
  3. Disconnect hose 5 from the solenoid
  4. Using the joint, connect hose 5 to the air hose leading into the carbs (on the opposite side of the solenoid)

That disables the solenoid and bypasses the tiny intakes. All air to the carbs will come from the ram duct now. You can completely remove the solenoid and disconnected hoses if you like. I left mine in for the moment in case I want to try getting it to work.

The only thing I can think of with this affecting performance is the carbs getting too much air at low speed. But if the solenoid switches air flows at 12 mph, like my manual says... Well how long do we truly ride at less than 12mph?
hardest part: removing the tank
 
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Old 09-24-2009, 05:36 PM
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Thanks Kuroshio, you're too good. I printed out the schematic and will definitely be doing this during the cold months!

I don't think I've spent much time below 12mph since my license test.
 
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Originally Posted by Kuroshio
I just sent this to Johnny on how to bypass and remove the solenoid.


hardest part: removing the tank
thanks for that kuro
 

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