pros and cons 1000cc vs 600cc
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You talk like your 10 years old. And if you "raced" dirtbikes or even rode one more than 5 times, you would know what a sprocket is. And I completely disagree with people saying you cant corner worth a crap on 1k bikes, maybe YOU cant corner on it, I think that means YOU need to learn to corner better because I have owned a couple 600s and a couple 1000s and I have a 954 now and I can corner it better than any 600 Ive ever owned. It all depends on how low you let your ***** hang... and btw kid 120 is woman speed. Step up to the 200 club. =D
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From: muscat/ oman
get a 1000litre bike bro dnt go for 600c.c
their is a slighty weight difference between the 600c.c and 1000c,c am talkin abt the new models because they are all ingeneral light weight bikes and if u go for the 2008 fireblade 1000c.c ull see its so small and so light.
after all its ur deicssion but keep that in mind if u go for a 600 c.c bike after few months u will hate it and will regret ur choice and will go for a 1000c.c bike so y wasting ur money get a 1000c.c from nw
their is a slighty weight difference between the 600c.c and 1000c,c am talkin abt the new models because they are all ingeneral light weight bikes and if u go for the 2008 fireblade 1000c.c ull see its so small and so light.
after all its ur deicssion but keep that in mind if u go for a 600 c.c bike after few months u will hate it and will regret ur choice and will go for a 1000c.c bike so y wasting ur money get a 1000c.c from nw
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WOW so you are telling me a 600cc bike is boring and you can drive a 600rr to its full potential? Apparently you haven't been on a new 600rr. I do have a older liter bike (954rr) however I would never say that one would be tired of a 600 cc bike. That is a ridiculous statement. But seriously first off learn how to spell and maybe a little grammar. Then learn some more about sportbikes and ride some. How honestly can you tell a newer rider to get on a 1000rr from the start. Seriously. I'm pretty sure you are a squid yourself. So go get a 1000rr neglect to learn how to ride, and let me know how pavement feels.
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From: muscat/ oman
hey Bubba dont u feel ur name is good for a bubble gum's brand.
first of all i did not attack u and did not disrepsect anyone here so behave urslf and hav some respect, second of all ive been driving bikes since i was 9 years old ive been into all kind of bikes from 50 c.c to 80c.c to 250c.c to 400 c.c to 750 c.c to 1100c.c and lately i bought my 2007 fireblade 1000.rr
and believe me i can drive much better than u, i might be a squid so wat big deal i dnt give a f**** about wat u said that guy mentioned something about weight so u think u knew it al first of all the Dry weight of a 2007 600rr: 156.5 kg (345.0 pounds)
while the dry weight of a 2007 1000 rr: is 176 kg and thanks to the
electric dumper i dnt think that guy will suffer from any difficulites while driving so we are talkin abt 20 kgs only and not to forget that the midrange of a 600rr is amazing, so it will gives u the same feeling of the 1000c.c inside the city road.
one more thing many of my frndz bought a 600cc bike and they regret it now all want to switch to a one litre bike after jst few months of driving.
i did not disrespect u so u should do the same.
regards.
first of all i did not attack u and did not disrepsect anyone here so behave urslf and hav some respect, second of all ive been driving bikes since i was 9 years old ive been into all kind of bikes from 50 c.c to 80c.c to 250c.c to 400 c.c to 750 c.c to 1100c.c and lately i bought my 2007 fireblade 1000.rr
and believe me i can drive much better than u, i might be a squid so wat big deal i dnt give a f**** about wat u said that guy mentioned something about weight so u think u knew it al first of all the Dry weight of a 2007 600rr: 156.5 kg (345.0 pounds)
while the dry weight of a 2007 1000 rr: is 176 kg and thanks to the
electric dumper i dnt think that guy will suffer from any difficulites while driving so we are talkin abt 20 kgs only and not to forget that the midrange of a 600rr is amazing, so it will gives u the same feeling of the 1000c.c inside the city road.
one more thing many of my frndz bought a 600cc bike and they regret it now all want to switch to a one litre bike after jst few months of driving.
i did not disrespect u so u should do the same.
regards.
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Yet again if you read the whole post. I also compared the weight of a liter bike to the 600 series bikes. ei- 03 600rr compared to a 03 954rr only a pound difference in dry weight. HOWEVER. For a rider that states he is prown to do outlandish and stupid things, who doesn't have alot of riding experiance you would recommend a liter bike to learn how to ride. That is a little ridiculous, actually ALOT ridiculous and as far as being a better rider than me I would be MORE than happy to go to the track against your 07 1000rr. And I am sure with the riding experiance you have you would be a great rider/driver on a 1000, but seriously take someone that has NEVER riden except for a couple of dirtbikes, and tell him to start on a liter back is a little crazy. agree with me or disagree I really don't care, however in this case I do know that I am right. And the reason I "disrespected" you, was that the face that a person with any riding experiance would recommend a new rider to a 1000rr from the beginning. That baffles me as to how a rider could do that. If you don't like it, oh well. make a poll see what others think. But for a new rider i would always recommend a smaller bike.
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Agreed the 1000s even a 07 is pretty light, but this isn’t the questions that we were asked gentlemen (and ladies). Pros and Cons of 600s and 1000s? Well FIRST and foremost, how much riding experience do you have? This plays A LOT into what you should get. If the 07 1000rr was your first sport bike that you have driven I’d recommend the 600, however if you never put the 07 down (dropping or laying it over) and you were a good driver with driving experience (ei bikes before your 1000) not a “squid” (google it) Go for another 1000.
Now if you weren’t comfortable on set 07 1000rr, because it was too heavy. Ect. The 600rr is definitely what you need. The reasons as to why I say this include; It is easier to learn on, because of the lack of power as to compared to the 1000rr (not saying the 600rr is a slouch because that isn’t true, you wont be able to ride the bike to its potential on the street.) and the great handling the bike has makes the learning curve much faster on the 600. It is a lot more forgivable compared to the 1000rr, you don’t have to have as good throttle control in the curves, meaning you can let loose by accident or on purpose. The power curve on a 600 isn’t nearly a erratic as a 1000 you don’t have the huge torque down in the low and mid rpms which makes her a lot easier to get into coming out of a corner with a lower chance of putting her down. Most 600s as well as 1000s are pretty easy to work on if you have mechanical knowledge ei changing oil, filters, and other common preventive maintenance. As far as costs for replacement parts, 600cc bike parts are generally easier to find, mostly because of the vast amount of 600s out there. Overall the 600rr is a WELL rounded bike, its flick-ability, great engine which the newer ones have a pretty good amount of power as well as a good power curve make it a GREAT BIKE. Its even great looking!
Now the 1000rr that squids think are the “hype” and they love to hop on NEVER having rode a newer sport bike with the power this type of bike has. The newer 1000s (as well as the older 954s!!) Have crazy torque in low and mid range and most of them weight only a few more pounds than their 600 counter parts. But what makes these bikes SO dangerous is the inexperienced driver/rider. Someone who has never rode a bike shouldn’t honestly be on a 1000 liter bike of any kind because they simply wont be able to handle it. Remember that first curve you took on the street at high speeds that scared the **** outta you when you first started riding? Imagine that on a monster of a bike which the wrong move, ei mashing the throttle, braking wrong, using too much rear brake locking up back tire, can all spell disaster as it can with any bike just amplified on the 1000. The newer 1000s even your old 07 are GREAT bikes, good power, great handling, great brakes, light and flick-able. But these bike aren’t as forgivable they will put you on the asphalt really quick and with vengeance. They are big power houses that are really fun to ride but should only be rode by people that are good experienced riders and know how to react in certain situations.
In conclusion I have NO SAY as to what you buy, I don’t know you, have never rode with you. But I can tell you that if you are comfortable in yourself as a driver/rider of a 1000 and you want it go for it. However if you have any doubt in your mind about your riding experience and you need to learn a lot and you want to be safe about it. Be level headed and go for the 600 they are truly GREAT machines and they are fun as hell to ride. Either way you want to feel comfortable on your bike and most of all be safe on your bike. Remember if you want that 1000 but you doubt yourself you can always go for the 600, drive it for a while get to be a good rider and sell it (resale value on 600s are pretty good because of popularity) and buy that 1000 you always wanted and be safe on it.
I hope this helps, and one more thing always wear gear!
Now if you weren’t comfortable on set 07 1000rr, because it was too heavy. Ect. The 600rr is definitely what you need. The reasons as to why I say this include; It is easier to learn on, because of the lack of power as to compared to the 1000rr (not saying the 600rr is a slouch because that isn’t true, you wont be able to ride the bike to its potential on the street.) and the great handling the bike has makes the learning curve much faster on the 600. It is a lot more forgivable compared to the 1000rr, you don’t have to have as good throttle control in the curves, meaning you can let loose by accident or on purpose. The power curve on a 600 isn’t nearly a erratic as a 1000 you don’t have the huge torque down in the low and mid rpms which makes her a lot easier to get into coming out of a corner with a lower chance of putting her down. Most 600s as well as 1000s are pretty easy to work on if you have mechanical knowledge ei changing oil, filters, and other common preventive maintenance. As far as costs for replacement parts, 600cc bike parts are generally easier to find, mostly because of the vast amount of 600s out there. Overall the 600rr is a WELL rounded bike, its flick-ability, great engine which the newer ones have a pretty good amount of power as well as a good power curve make it a GREAT BIKE. Its even great looking!
Now the 1000rr that squids think are the “hype” and they love to hop on NEVER having rode a newer sport bike with the power this type of bike has. The newer 1000s (as well as the older 954s!!) Have crazy torque in low and mid range and most of them weight only a few more pounds than their 600 counter parts. But what makes these bikes SO dangerous is the inexperienced driver/rider. Someone who has never rode a bike shouldn’t honestly be on a 1000 liter bike of any kind because they simply wont be able to handle it. Remember that first curve you took on the street at high speeds that scared the **** outta you when you first started riding? Imagine that on a monster of a bike which the wrong move, ei mashing the throttle, braking wrong, using too much rear brake locking up back tire, can all spell disaster as it can with any bike just amplified on the 1000. The newer 1000s even your old 07 are GREAT bikes, good power, great handling, great brakes, light and flick-able. But these bike aren’t as forgivable they will put you on the asphalt really quick and with vengeance. They are big power houses that are really fun to ride but should only be rode by people that are good experienced riders and know how to react in certain situations.
In conclusion I have NO SAY as to what you buy, I don’t know you, have never rode with you. But I can tell you that if you are comfortable in yourself as a driver/rider of a 1000 and you want it go for it. However if you have any doubt in your mind about your riding experience and you need to learn a lot and you want to be safe about it. Be level headed and go for the 600 they are truly GREAT machines and they are fun as hell to ride. Either way you want to feel comfortable on your bike and most of all be safe on your bike. Remember if you want that 1000 but you doubt yourself you can always go for the 600, drive it for a while get to be a good rider and sell it (resale value on 600s are pretty good because of popularity) and buy that 1000 you always wanted and be safe on it.
I hope this helps, and one more thing always wear gear!
One other thing I just noticed, it seems that, that wasn't the first time you have been called a "squid" on this forum. Also I am more that happy to agree to disagree. To each his own.
Last edited by bubba_finch07; Apr 2, 2010 at 03:18 AM.
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From: Dirty Jerz
I think a problem is that a lot of people did graduate through bikes and they think they are as good now as they were at the beginning so riding a 1000cc bike doesn't seem as challenging and think it would have been as easy to adjust to as if they had started on one. Anyways, OP did announce he was going for an F4i and as far as I know/heard, it's an excellent bike to start on.
BTW, I think someone might have mentioned this, but 20kg includes rotational mass and unsprung weight in difference, it's not 20kg of stable ballast sitting on your frame. As far as what that 20kg is, it's effin huge by most accounts for bikes that run close to 1:1 hp/kg ratio.
I think anyone who is going through the whole 1k/600 debate should consider what they plan on using the bikes for. If you get to be good on that 600, there are only a few tracks that you'll likely be able to ride on where at the end of a straight a liter would catch you. If the 600rr only came with a slipper clutch, the choice would be obvious for me... but that's just my humble opinion of course.
BTW, I think someone might have mentioned this, but 20kg includes rotational mass and unsprung weight in difference, it's not 20kg of stable ballast sitting on your frame. As far as what that 20kg is, it's effin huge by most accounts for bikes that run close to 1:1 hp/kg ratio.
I think anyone who is going through the whole 1k/600 debate should consider what they plan on using the bikes for. If you get to be good on that 600, there are only a few tracks that you'll likely be able to ride on where at the end of a straight a liter would catch you. If the 600rr only came with a slipper clutch, the choice would be obvious for me... but that's just my humble opinion of course.
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lol. Right. Pics or video please mr. failtroll.
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Why bother asking for pics? Just ask to name a liter bike that can enter the "200 club"
