pros and cons 1000cc vs 600cc
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not to mention the 120lbs rider. my 205lbs might show some drag on the torque of a 600 
a friend of mine has an 02 ZX6, I can shake him on a roll on start but that bike is right with my 900 off the start from a stop but he's in the light weight class too, he's only about 140-150lbs.
a friend of mine has an 02 ZX6, I can shake him on a roll on start but that bike is right with my 900 off the start from a stop but he's in the light weight class too, he's only about 140-150lbs.
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From: Dirty Jerz
You appear to have zero experience and very questionable judgment/ self control. I'm going to suggest a Ninja 250, and that is only after completing the basic MSF course.
http://www.msf-usa.org/
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I haven't been on here in a while, but I've seemed to have started a bigger thread than I thought. Seems as if everyone pretty much knows what their talking about, but an opinion is an opinion. I basically started this thread to learn and hear everyones opinion on the different cc's on the bikes. and at the dude that was pretty much railing me on having no experience no I might not know what a sprocket is (even though now I do), but that doesn't mean you can't ride. I know people that know tons of crap about bikes and cant ride for crap. I know guys that don't really know a whole lot about the internals and technicalities of bikes but they can ride a wheelie for 2 minutes straight. I'm not arguing that I have little experience, because I said at the beginning that I don't, but I'm here to learn. Which is why I joined this forum. I don't really want to get railed on something that isn't necessarily my fault. The only reason I was able to get a bike was because my dad would have disowned me if I had gotten one. I rode dirt bikes and raced against friends on an old closed course and knew nothing about the internals of the bike other than clutch and how to shift and I did pretty well. It's just practice and I was young. Now I'm older living away from home, going to college and wanting to learn. Thank you everyone for your advice and comments. As soon as i'm done parting out the 1k Im going to look into getting a honda f4i. I'm trying to get a cheaper one on stuntlife.com and learning a little more on there, but nothing like on here. Like I said again I am new to the motorcycle world and want to learn.
Knowledge is the best tool in life in my opinion. We only use like 20% or some rediculously small amount of our brain so why not jam as much knowledge that I can in there. with all these natural disasters going around I feel like the world is coming to an end. Once Yellowstone erupts it's kinda game over so It's time to live life. I'd rather start living doing something I enjoy. And I might not have any experience on a sport bike other than maybe 30 minutes, but I do know that hitting 120 on that bike literally withing minutes of me ever being on it for the first time was the most exhilerating thing I have ever done. No roller coaster can ever compare to that haha.
but thanks again everyone. I respect people that want to help and most of you seem like you do.
Knowledge is the best tool in life in my opinion. We only use like 20% or some rediculously small amount of our brain so why not jam as much knowledge that I can in there. with all these natural disasters going around I feel like the world is coming to an end. Once Yellowstone erupts it's kinda game over so It's time to live life. I'd rather start living doing something I enjoy. And I might not have any experience on a sport bike other than maybe 30 minutes, but I do know that hitting 120 on that bike literally withing minutes of me ever being on it for the first time was the most exhilerating thing I have ever done. No roller coaster can ever compare to that haha.
but thanks again everyone. I respect people that want to help and most of you seem like you do.
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Late to the game but here goes...
I have an 08 CBR 1000RR and an 05 CBR 600RR right now. I've been riding the 1000 for a little over a year and I picked up the 600 a couple of months ago to use as a track/street bike. The 08 and later CBR's were often reviewed to be similar to the 600 as far as size and feel.
The 600 has PLENTY of power for having fun on the street. If you're using all of the acceleration then you are most definitely in "please write me a huge ticket officer" territory. The 1000 has scare the hell out of you power that can kill you if you aren't paying attention (think sudden wheelie and back flop).
Both bikes handle great but the 600 does "feel" lighter in the turns and lets me correct cornering mistakes (both speed and direction) a bit easier than the 1000. With the 1000 you have to pay very close attention to throttle control because giving it a fraction too much, or too abruptly, and the rear can spin up and you are looking a high-side in the face. Even small throttle adjustments make HUGE changes to the acceleration which in turn upsets the bikes suspension making for some damn hairy cornering. The 600 takes more thottle to get up the rev's to generate power so you can be quite a bit more sloppy and still get it "right enough" to make it through the curves in good shape. To me the 1000 takes more careful planning and execution to ride fast, but maybe that's just me being afraid to fall off the damn thing.
Honestly I have just as much fun riding either one. I can play a lot more on the 600 because of the wider range between 'a little power' and 'a lot of power' (you can pretend you're a MotoGP star without doing 150mph). The 1000 is just 'a lot of power' all of the time so 98% of the time I'm using almost none of the 1000's potential.
Whatever you do, take the MSF class to learn some of the basics of street survival. A lot of it seems like common sense (after someone tells you) but having it formalized makes it stick so you at least will know when you're doing something stupid.
Oh yeah, and wear damn helmet it's not a freaking Harley!
The 600 has PLENTY of power for having fun on the street. If you're using all of the acceleration then you are most definitely in "please write me a huge ticket officer" territory. The 1000 has scare the hell out of you power that can kill you if you aren't paying attention (think sudden wheelie and back flop).
Both bikes handle great but the 600 does "feel" lighter in the turns and lets me correct cornering mistakes (both speed and direction) a bit easier than the 1000. With the 1000 you have to pay very close attention to throttle control because giving it a fraction too much, or too abruptly, and the rear can spin up and you are looking a high-side in the face. Even small throttle adjustments make HUGE changes to the acceleration which in turn upsets the bikes suspension making for some damn hairy cornering. The 600 takes more thottle to get up the rev's to generate power so you can be quite a bit more sloppy and still get it "right enough" to make it through the curves in good shape. To me the 1000 takes more careful planning and execution to ride fast, but maybe that's just me being afraid to fall off the damn thing.
Honestly I have just as much fun riding either one. I can play a lot more on the 600 because of the wider range between 'a little power' and 'a lot of power' (you can pretend you're a MotoGP star without doing 150mph). The 1000 is just 'a lot of power' all of the time so 98% of the time I'm using almost none of the 1000's potential.
Whatever you do, take the MSF class to learn some of the basics of street survival. A lot of it seems like common sense (after someone tells you) but having it formalized makes it stick so you at least will know when you're doing something stupid.
Oh yeah, and wear damn helmet it's not a freaking Harley!
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If you insist on starting on a Inline 4 sport-bike, that would probably be the best option. Every stunter and squid will disagree (and even some respectable riders) but a ninja 250 or similar would be most suitable (especially at the OP's size) for even as long as the first 5000 miles or at least until shifting, clutch, brake, and throttle control become second nature.
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To the OP.
Im 6'2'' and about 130lbs. I bought a 600F2. I didnt bother to read all of the postings but i never saw one saying if you bought a bike yet or not. Anyways get a 600. Plenty of power and they are wicked fun. The F2 i got has taught me alot plus is you f something up which everyone does the parts are fairly cheap and the F2/3 is built like a tank. If you get a 1k you will most likely be scared of it and not want to ride it. what fun is that?
just my 2 cents. Enjoy : )
Im 6'2'' and about 130lbs. I bought a 600F2. I didnt bother to read all of the postings but i never saw one saying if you bought a bike yet or not. Anyways get a 600. Plenty of power and they are wicked fun. The F2 i got has taught me alot plus is you f something up which everyone does the parts are fairly cheap and the F2/3 is built like a tank. If you get a 1k you will most likely be scared of it and not want to ride it. what fun is that?
just my 2 cents. Enjoy : )
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agreed the 1000s even a 07 is pretty light, but this isn’t the questions that we were asked gentlemen (and ladies). Pros and cons of 600s and 1000s? Well first and foremost, how much riding experience do you have? This plays a lot into what you should get. If the 07 1000rr was your first sport bike that you have driven i’d recommend the 600, however if you never put the 07 down (dropping or laying it over) and you were a good driver with driving experience (ei bikes before your 1000) not a “squid” (google it) go for another 1000.
Now if you weren’t comfortable on set 07 1000rr, because it was too heavy. Ect. The 600rr is definitely what you need. The reasons as to why i say this include; it is easier to learn on, because of the lack of power as to compared to the 1000rr (not saying the 600rr is a slouch because that isn’t true, you wont be able to ride the bike to its potential on the street.) and the great handling the bike has makes the learning curve much faster on the 600. It is a lot more forgivable compared to the 1000rr, you don’t have to have as good throttle control in the curves, meaning you can let loose by accident or on purpose. The power curve on a 600 isn’t nearly a erratic as a 1000 you don’t have the huge torque down in the low and mid rpms which makes her a lot easier to get into coming out of a corner with a lower chance of putting her down. Most 600s as well as 1000s are pretty easy to work on if you have mechanical knowledge ei changing oil, filters, and other common preventive maintenance. As far as costs for replacement parts, 600cc bike parts are generally easier to find, mostly because of the vast amount of 600s out there. Overall the 600rr is a well rounded bike, its flick-ability, great engine which the newer ones have a pretty good amount of power as well as a good power curve make it a great bike. Its even great looking!
Now the 1000rr that squids think are the “hype” and they love to hop on never having rode a newer sport bike with the power this type of bike has. The newer 1000s (as well as the older 954s!!) have crazy torque in low and mid range and most of them weight only a few more pounds than their 600 counter parts. But what makes these bikes so dangerous is the inexperienced driver/rider. Someone who has never rode a bike shouldn’t honestly be on a 1000 liter bike of any kind because they simply wont be able to handle it. Remember that first curve you took on the street at high speeds that scared the **** outta you when you first started riding? Imagine that on a monster of a bike which the wrong move, ei mashing the throttle, braking wrong, using too much rear brake locking up back tire, can all spell disaster as it can with any bike just amplified on the 1000. The newer 1000s even your old 07 are great bikes, good power, great handling, great brakes, light and flick-able. But these bike aren’t as forgivable they will put you on the asphalt really quick and with vengeance. They are big power houses that are really fun to ride but should only be rode by people that are good experienced riders and know how to react in certain situations.
In conclusion i have no say as to what you buy, i don’t know you, have never rode with you. But i can tell you that if you are comfortable in yourself as a driver/rider of a 1000 and you want it go for it. However if you have any doubt in your mind about your riding experience and you need to learn a lot and you want to be safe about it. Be level headed and go for the 600 they are truly great machines and they are fun as hell to ride. Either way you want to feel comfortable on your bike and most of all be safe on your bike. Remember if you want that 1000 but you doubt yourself you can always go for the 600, drive it for a while get to be a good rider and sell it (resale value on 600s are pretty good because of popularity) and buy that 1000 you always wanted and be safe on it.
I hope this helps, and one more thing always wear gear!
Now if you weren’t comfortable on set 07 1000rr, because it was too heavy. Ect. The 600rr is definitely what you need. The reasons as to why i say this include; it is easier to learn on, because of the lack of power as to compared to the 1000rr (not saying the 600rr is a slouch because that isn’t true, you wont be able to ride the bike to its potential on the street.) and the great handling the bike has makes the learning curve much faster on the 600. It is a lot more forgivable compared to the 1000rr, you don’t have to have as good throttle control in the curves, meaning you can let loose by accident or on purpose. The power curve on a 600 isn’t nearly a erratic as a 1000 you don’t have the huge torque down in the low and mid rpms which makes her a lot easier to get into coming out of a corner with a lower chance of putting her down. Most 600s as well as 1000s are pretty easy to work on if you have mechanical knowledge ei changing oil, filters, and other common preventive maintenance. As far as costs for replacement parts, 600cc bike parts are generally easier to find, mostly because of the vast amount of 600s out there. Overall the 600rr is a well rounded bike, its flick-ability, great engine which the newer ones have a pretty good amount of power as well as a good power curve make it a great bike. Its even great looking!
Now the 1000rr that squids think are the “hype” and they love to hop on never having rode a newer sport bike with the power this type of bike has. The newer 1000s (as well as the older 954s!!) have crazy torque in low and mid range and most of them weight only a few more pounds than their 600 counter parts. But what makes these bikes so dangerous is the inexperienced driver/rider. Someone who has never rode a bike shouldn’t honestly be on a 1000 liter bike of any kind because they simply wont be able to handle it. Remember that first curve you took on the street at high speeds that scared the **** outta you when you first started riding? Imagine that on a monster of a bike which the wrong move, ei mashing the throttle, braking wrong, using too much rear brake locking up back tire, can all spell disaster as it can with any bike just amplified on the 1000. The newer 1000s even your old 07 are great bikes, good power, great handling, great brakes, light and flick-able. But these bike aren’t as forgivable they will put you on the asphalt really quick and with vengeance. They are big power houses that are really fun to ride but should only be rode by people that are good experienced riders and know how to react in certain situations.
In conclusion i have no say as to what you buy, i don’t know you, have never rode with you. But i can tell you that if you are comfortable in yourself as a driver/rider of a 1000 and you want it go for it. However if you have any doubt in your mind about your riding experience and you need to learn a lot and you want to be safe about it. Be level headed and go for the 600 they are truly great machines and they are fun as hell to ride. Either way you want to feel comfortable on your bike and most of all be safe on your bike. Remember if you want that 1000 but you doubt yourself you can always go for the 600, drive it for a while get to be a good rider and sell it (resale value on 600s are pretty good because of popularity) and buy that 1000 you always wanted and be safe on it.
I hope this helps, and one more thing always wear gear!
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You talk like your 10 years old. And if you "raced" dirtbikes or even rode one more than 5 times, you would know what a sprocket is. And I completely disagree with people saying you cant corner worth a crap on 1k bikes, maybe YOU cant corner on it, I think that means YOU need to learn to corner better because I have owned a couple 600s and a couple 1000s and I have a 954 now and I can corner it better than any 600 Ive ever owned. It all depends on how low you let your ***** hang... and btw kid 120 is woman speed. Step up to the 200 club. =D