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Old Jul 13, 2009 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Dissevered
I think you said the same things I did except all the body positioning.
. . .ehhhhhhh:

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2. Brake hard and late. . . Don't use the rear brake.
You wouldn't do this on the street, lest the truck riding your *** mows you down. You'd also be applying both front and rear brakes equally.


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4. Through the turn stay on the gas and once you are at the apex you roll on the throttle smoothly up to WFO on exit
On the street you would slow to entry speed, then accelerate all the way through the turn, not maintain speed and then gun it at the apex like track cornering.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2009 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnyx
. . .ehhhhhhh:

You wouldn't do this on the street, lest the truck riding your *** mows you down. You'd also be applying both front and rear brakes equally.

On the street you would slow to entry speed, then accelerate all the way through the turn, not maintain speed and then gun it at the apex like track cornering.
I did say "to a lesser degree" after you mentioned the street. You still want to brake or slow down before a turn, on a track you just do it later and harder. In the turns you accelerate through them, on the track you just go WFO on exit. I am not sure what you mean by maintain speed, because on the track you slow down, turn in, maintain speed (1/4th throttle), then roll on after apex. On the street you should do the exact same thing minus WFO. Only instead of turning in at 75mph and exiting at 110 you turn in at 40mph and exit at 55. Even practicing body positioning lightly will aid in your street riding.

And I completely disagree with the rear brake, you have so much more stopping power in the front that you don't need the rear. Only a very experienced rider should even play with the rear brakes. Sure, using both front and rear will give you max stopping power, but only if you know how to use both precisely so that you don't lock up the rear. Locking the rear tire is what causes most of your wrecks.

My first post was definitely regarding agressive track style riding, but after you pointed out that it is probably for the street, I agreed, and only meant to say that you should still mimic track riding on the street, just no where near the same level of aggression.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2009 | 09:26 AM
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Yeah, those are both points of contention we see a lot on the boards. I'm sure people have been murdered over rear brake arguments. I tend to use what the MSF advises, just cuz that's what I learned, and what I've always done.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2009 | 11:01 AM
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Yeah, I remember them teaching that in MSF and I don't think there is anything wrong with it unless you are in an emergency situation. I used to do it all the time, then just got out of the habit because I didn't want to start doing it on the track by accident.

If you keep your weight low on the pegs and in the tank, none of it on the grips, many would be surprised at how hard you can actually hit the front brakes. On my f2 anyway... they don't brake as hard as the newer bikes.
 
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Old Aug 12, 2010 | 07:51 AM
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I will higly recommend "A twist of the wrist" by Keith Code.
 
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