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Old 02-10-2011, 01:12 PM
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Default Buyers Beware!!! Avoid this guy!

Not sure where to post this. I just want to give bike and parts buyers a heads up about this guy. I am not even sure if he is on the CBR forums.

For Sale Thread: http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php...ighlight=600rr

Seller info: Roman Shandalov "Blackgt76" On WERA Forums
[email protected]
www.wreckedbikes.net
127 Aspen dr
Rochester, NY 14625
585 750 3313

Thread says "All important components are straight"

Truth:
Bent frame (wheel base +1.3 inches over stock)
2 motor mounts cracked
Possibly warped sub frame (might be due to main frame, exhaust won't line up)
Smashed headers (really could care less about this part)

http://www.scsdefense.com/images/mount1.jpg
http://www.scsdefense.com/images/mount2.jpg
http://www.scsdefense.com/images/header.jpg
http://www.scsdefense.com/images/bentframe01.jpg

Last picture is with the kick stand down. When I attached a whole OEM kick stand, bike would not lean over. Went through 40 emails with this guy telling me I need to adjust the ride height, or change my shock, and that the frame is not bent.

Shady part: Boy I wish I would have noticed this in the pictures.

http://www.scsdefense.com/images/stand.jpg
http://www.scsdefense.com/images/cutstand.jpg

He knew something was fishy, and instead of inspecting the bike in detail, so that he could be sure of what he was selling, he cut the kick stand so that the bike would stand up. Idiocy or deceit? I am not sure but either way, the guy shouldn't be selling bikes for a living.

http://www.scsdefense.com/images/privatemessage.jpg

At first, I wanted a partial refund. I asked for 1000 back. I thought 900 for wheels, OEM suspension, and engine internals plus random odds and ends (gas tank, throttle boddies, levers, whatever) was more than fair. He refused... and offered me 200 dollars, enough to get me a used frame on Ebay he said.

He also offered to buy the bike back, at my expense. I am required to put it all back together, and drive 10-12 hours once again, to drop it off. I guess that means I need to zip tie his junk fairings back on too.

In his defense, because I am fair like that, I will admit that I screwed up too! I realize I was naive and ignorant. I shouldn't have trusted him, and I should have looked the bike over better. I should have also gotten simple specs and took a tape measure. Trust me, I sure as hell learned my lesson.

However ignorance is not a choice, it is something we all lose through life experiences and learning. Dishonesty and sincerity IS a choice. The guy lied saying it was straight, and is completely unwilling to be fair. That's all I asked for, a fair refund.

Part of one of my recent emails sums it up very well IMO...

"Seriously, repost your bike for sale thread, and tell the truth. Make it look something like this...

06 600rr for sale, 15000 miles, NR title

The bad:
-Fairings are junk, all held together with zip ties. I just put them on to make the bike look pretty
-Frame is warped
-Motormounts cracked
-Sub frame may be bent, exhaust wouldn't bolt on, might just be main frame.
-Right rear set needs replaced, brake sensor mount broke
-Headers smashed
-Broke fairing stay

The good:
-it runs
-new swing arm
-suspension straight
-wheels straight

1900??? NO, You would be LUCKY to get 900 for that Ad. The problem here is that you are trying to milk me for part out prices, not whole bike prices. Getting a frame for 200 STILL means that someone needs to take time to rebuild the bike. Time is money, and who is spending the time... Me."

Another part from an Email I sent:

"ALL I am asking for is FAIRness. You didn't say "i am not sure if this bike
is straight, buy at your own risk." You said "all important components are
straight." For you to make that claim, one would think that you actually
checked the bike over thoroughly. You were deceptive. Now, did you do it
on purpose? I am not sure, and really, it doesn't matter. What matters is,
you said 1 thing, I got another. An honest seller would rectify his
mistakes a little more fairly."

In another email after buying the bike, he openly admitted to not ever looking over the frame or engine. How does one claim a straight bike, without actually testing it to be straight?

Conclusion:

The intent of this post is not to cause drama. I hate this kind of stuff. It is just a warning to others, nothing more. All I am doing is putting this information out there so you guys are aware of this person and how he deals. In the middle of typing all of this out, I talked him into a 300 dollar refund, which I still feel is unfair, and he still needs to be exposed.
 
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Old 05-20-2012, 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Dissevered View Post
Not sure where to post this. I just want to give bike and parts buyers a heads up about this guy. I am not even sure if he is on the CBR forums.

For Sale Thread: 13x Forums

Seller info: Roman Shandalov "Blackgt76" On WERA Forums
[email protected]
www.wreckedbikes.net
127 Aspen dr
Rochester, NY 14625
585 750 3313

Thread says "All important components are straight"

Truth:
Bent frame (wheel base +1.3 inches over stock)
2 motor mounts cracked
Possibly warped sub frame (might be due to main frame, exhaust won't line up)
Smashed headers (really could care less about this part)

http://www.scsdefense.com/images/mount1.jpg
http://www.scsdefense.com/images/mount2.jpg
http://www.scsdefense.com/images/header.jpg
http://www.scsdefense.com/images/bentframe01.jpg

Last picture is with the kick stand down. When I attached a whole OEM kick stand, bike would not lean over. Went through 40 emails with this guy telling me I need to adjust the ride height, or change my shock, and that the frame is not bent.

Shady part: Boy I wish I would have noticed this in the pictures.

http://www.scsdefense.com/images/stand.jpg
http://www.scsdefense.com/images/cutstand.jpg

He knew something was fishy, and instead of inspecting the bike in detail, so that he could be sure of what he was selling, he cut the kick stand so that the bike would stand up. Idiocy or deceit? I am not sure but either way, the guy shouldn't be selling bikes for a living.

http://www.scsdefense.com/images/privatemessage.jpg

At first, I wanted a partial refund. I asked for 1000 back. I thought 900 for wheels, OEM suspension, and engine internals plus random odds and ends (gas tank, throttle boddies, levers, whatever) was more than fair. He refused... and offered me 200 dollars, enough to get me a used frame on Ebay he said.

He also offered to buy the bike back, at my expense. I am required to put it all back together, and drive 10-12 hours once again, to drop it off. I guess that means I need to zip tie his junk fairings back on too.

In his defense, because I am fair like that, I will admit that I screwed up too! I realize I was naive and ignorant. I shouldn't have trusted him, and I should have looked the bike over better. I should have also gotten simple specs and took a tape measure. Trust me, I sure as hell learned my lesson.

However ignorance is not a choice, it is something we all lose through life experiences and learning. Dishonesty and sincerity IS a choice. The guy lied saying it was straight, and is completely unwilling to be fair. That's all I asked for, a fair refund.

Part of one of my recent emails sums it up very well IMO...

"Seriously, repost your bike for sale thread, and tell the truth. Make it look something like this...

06 600rr for sale, 15000 miles, NR title

The bad:
-Fairings are junk, all held together with zip ties. I just put them on to make the bike look pretty
-Frame is warped
-Motormounts cracked
-Sub frame may be bent, exhaust wouldn't bolt on, might just be main frame.
-Right rear set needs replaced, brake sensor mount broke
-Headers smashed
-Broke fairing stay

The good:
-it runs
-new swing arm
-suspension straight
-wheels straight

1900??? NO, You would be LUCKY to get 900 for that Ad. The problem here is that you are trying to milk me for part out prices, not whole bike prices. Getting a frame for 200 STILL means that someone needs to take time to rebuild the bike. Time is money, and who is spending the time... Me."

Another part from an Email I sent:

"ALL I am asking for is FAIRness. You didn't say "i am not sure if this bike
is straight, buy at your own risk." You said "all important components are
straight." For you to make that claim, one would think that you actually
checked the bike over thoroughly. You were deceptive. Now, did you do it
on purpose? I am not sure, and really, it doesn't matter. What matters is,
you said 1 thing, I got another. An honest seller would rectify his
mistakes a little more fairly."

In another email after buying the bike, he openly admitted to not ever looking over the frame or engine. How does one claim a straight bike, without actually testing it to be straight?

Conclusion:

The intent of this post is not to cause drama. I hate this kind of stuff. It is just a warning to others, nothing more. All I am doing is putting this information out there so you guys are aware of this person and how he deals. In the middle of typing all of this out, I talked him into a 300 dollar refund, which I still feel is unfair, and he still needs to be exposed.
Sorry to hear about your problem!!!!!!!!!!!! Its bad enough when you buy something sight unseen, but actually looking at it some of those things should have been noticed, (in my opinion)For future references use paypal, they are excellent at recovering your money, had 3 problems with situations of crap being mis represented. They give you 90 days I believe to file a claim first with the seller than with them and if it gets that far they refund your $ and then deal with it themselves. Have gotten my money all 3 times in the allotted time I had given the seller, never had to go back to paypal, situation was always resolved w/seller. Possibly I am just one of the lucky people but anyhow that's the only way I will purchase anything and before the sale I make them send me a request for a purchase w/full description of what I am buying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Old 05-20-2012, 05:14 AM
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It's 45 days for refunds from Paypal as far as I know. Get your claim in as soon as you smell a problem. Postal time is included from the time you pay, so do it promptly.
 
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Old 05-21-2012, 07:53 AM
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I put a deposit down on a bike once with paypal and the dude sold the bike to someone else. Paypal wouldn't refund the money when I put a claim in. I wouldn't rely on them either.
 
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