lol u got beach slapped

yah man where is your GEAR?! haha

 

Yes to all of that ^^^^


About my gear (my t-shirt) ..the guy following me is one of the best stunt riders in town and we were there with a few other friends of his. For that one day and that one session I look back and am happy I threw caution to the wind. YES I always were armour, even just going to get ice cream at albertsons, but on that day and with those guys it was a brilliant feeling we all had. I showed a couple of them how to drag knee for the first time and we just generally shredded that place.

JPANSIDE-- dont you ever try leaning a ton on a bike you arent willing to crash. theres a reason the bike in my video looks that way! and never try stuff on the street. only an empty lot.

 

waaah? you wouldnt drag your knee for a street turn, corner, or curve? only in the lot?

 

in general no. In town I ride alot more conservatively than I do in the mtns, for obvious reasons. Still its not recommended to do in the mtns.


To the Op, yea we all go squidly once and awhile lol but still I think everyone gets what I was/am saying.

 

Me?? No dude, you misunderstood-- I was being a hypocrite. I was talking about YOU.
Have you seen my elbow dragging thing? The point is, I would never do that stuff on a bike I wasnt willing to crash. My 929 is beautiful and so no. No I would not risk that bike. Check it out man:

ELBOW DRAGGING

 

You're right, not hostile at all. You just look mad stretched over like you're simply trying to be close to the ground. Which is all fine and dandy for a goofy parking lot video, and is closer to the ground than I've been. But I'd hate for more inexperienced riders to think that it's a good way to ride anywhere besides a goofy parking lot video.

It's still cool to watch

 

There are 3 basic cornering techniques:

1. Your upper body remains mostly upright while you lean the bike down under you. Moto cross or dirt style.

2. Your body remains centered on the seat and in line with the center of gravity of the bike. This is old school racing or normal street riding style.

3. Your body hangs off the seat, and the riders center of gravity moves down and to the inside of the corner. Modern racing or 'knee dragging' style.

When you exceed a certain speed for a given turn radius, you are forced by physics to either slow down or to adopt a knee dragging style (even if you intentionally hold your knee in.) If your speed starts to exceed a knee dragging style you either have to slow down or adopt an elbow dragging style. Theres no other choices. If the tires and clearance could support it, you would eventually start to drag your shoulder, etc.. The POINT is: you need increasing speed to support increasing lean angles. You need speed to support hanging off. Otherwise the bike would just topple over.

I promise you this Aken, if you tried to follow behind me in that goofy parking lot video using a normal street style, I'm going to lap you pretty quickly. I have no doubt about that at all.

 

Thats all rad but i think in the above paragraph you have a few things bassackwords. Not anywhere near my skill but i am pretty sure that the elbow and knee drags are compensations for the speed not the other way around the way you have it. Your not supposed to need the speed in order to balance the body angles. Your supposed to have the angles in order to balance the speed.You dont go fast in order to drag. You drag because you are going fast. The reason for the said drags are because the g forces change the center of gravity on the bike to a lower position when cornering so in compensation for that the rider thus lowers his body as well. The drag is just a side effect to the lowering and tightening of the centripetal/centrifugal forces.

 

Lets take a racer on the track who is about to drag his elbow on a corner: the elbow drag requires a certain body position and also speed. Our racer knows this already. So as the corner approaches the racer is leaning the bike, lowering his body position, and making sure he is matching the speed to those things. The racers intention to drag his elbow comes first in the sequence. The other things are interconnected by force.. you cant separate them. And I would say you cant insist one comes before the other. Not speed, not lean, not body position.

The missing link is that our racer knows what he is going to do before he does it. That fact isnt accounted for when you lay out the physics of what goes on in a corner. So do you match the speed to the body position, or do you match the body position to the speed? It doesnt matter how you formulate it, because they are interdependent! But you had better do it!

what do you think?

As a thought experiment, if you took a rider from 100 years ago and put them on a modern bike with modern slicks, and told them they needed to negotiate an indicated radius at certain speed (elbow dragging speed), and without them having ever seen or heard about hanging off, what do you suppose might happen? Would they say its impossible? Would they simply keep crashing? Or would they discover on their own that they needed to hang off, knee drag, and all the rest. What do you think?

 

I dont think most racers plan on dragging elbows, just a side affect of hanging off and dragging their knee plus the speed they are carrying thru a turn and leaning a tad more than they expected. pro racers bikes are setup way different from our street bikes and or track day bikes (higher rearsets, lower clipons, etc). Not to mention the skill levels lol. Its also can be compared to steering the bike with the rear tire like some modern pro riders do. Can it be done? yes. Is it done? yes. Should the avg rider on the street do it or even try it? NO! lol. Track conditions and street condition are 2 different worlds. The roads we play on in the street world we have no control over the condition they are in, nor the debri that is on them. And no matter what we do or blame it on most accidents are rider error, riding over their skill level, or riding a bike with more power than they know how to deal with once they panic n twist the throttle just a tad too much, hence why newbs have no business on a 1k at all and even a 600 in most cases.

you seem to have some skills, more so than myself. And like you stated, you have a bike to play and learn on, and you have a bike that you baby and take of. Most riders dont nor can afford to do so, yet most want to emulate what they watch and read about (esp newbs) w/o getting the riding exp they need b4 they attempt the more advanced stuff. They wont to skip nailing the basics or after doing so think they never have to practice them ever again, and just want to learn the 'cool' stuff. Did you know most riders cant do low speed maneuvers? most are terrified of riding in the rain, on gravel and grass? yet they want to go drag a knee (or elbows), stunt, ride wheelies etc?