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The parents are to fault ..
The dog prolly was not real well trained .. but most of the time this chit happens its because the people or kids are doing something that they prolly shouldn't be to or near to the dog ...
Its definitely bad luck for the dog , but its the peoples fault that the dog has to be put down .. and so it should be ...
My Rottie is the most playful thing that you would ever meet ... 16 years and no incidents at all ...
But , when I play with him he gets rough ... very rough at times ...and if you dare go to his food or his bones while he is eating or chewing on them , he lifts his lips and growls like a bloody mad dog !!! and would snap if you tried to steal his bones while he was chewing on them ....
My point is that any big dog is powerful and deep down have a set of basic instincts that are not able to be trained out of them that will , if given the right set of circumstances , make them become a bit dangerous to be near ...
Supervision of dogs, especially larger dogs, is as important as supervision of children ...especially very small children ...
I feel sorry for the dog !!! and the people responsible for the child not being supervised or allowing it to get near a big dog , need jailing !!!! IMO..
The dog prolly was not real well trained .. but most of the time this chit happens its because the people or kids are doing something that they prolly shouldn't be to or near to the dog ...
Its definitely bad luck for the dog , but its the peoples fault that the dog has to be put down .. and so it should be ...
My Rottie is the most playful thing that you would ever meet ... 16 years and no incidents at all ...
But , when I play with him he gets rough ... very rough at times ...and if you dare go to his food or his bones while he is eating or chewing on them , he lifts his lips and growls like a bloody mad dog !!! and would snap if you tried to steal his bones while he was chewing on them ....
My point is that any big dog is powerful and deep down have a set of basic instincts that are not able to be trained out of them that will , if given the right set of circumstances , make them become a bit dangerous to be near ...
Supervision of dogs, especially larger dogs, is as important as supervision of children ...especially very small children ...
I feel sorry for the dog !!! and the people responsible for the child not being supervised or allowing it to get near a big dog , need jailing !!!! IMO..
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I hate stories like this that push such bad press on pitbulls and any other dog like that that are viewed as violent like rottis, pincers, etc. Theres no violent or aggressive breed of dog its all how you train and raise them. I had a rottweiler when i was little and it was such a nice dog and i know plenty of people with pitbulls and these dogs couldnt be nicer or more well behaved and im trying to get one myself. If someone abused and raised a golden retriever to be violent im sure it wouldnt get the same bad press. Its not the dogs fault it was an accident. In fact the only time ive been attacked by a dog it was actually a wild golden retriever. These dogs just get the bad press because of their muscular physique and its a shame since they can be such good dogs.
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Ignorance of the breeds causes stupid fear mongering. Don't have the link here at work but I read a looooong article on the media's treatment of pitbulls. In temperament tests they score higher than many supposedly gentle dogs. Breed scores way higher than Kai's breed.
And pitbulls were bred for fighting... other dogs. Human aggression was strictly trained out at that time. A human aggressive pitbull wouldn't be able to be handled and cared for during / after a dog fight. I'm not promoting dog fighting at all. Just saying a fact: human aggression would not be a desirable trait in a fighter and was bred out. Dogs that attack humans are either poorly socialized or have a medical condition. Both are ticking timebombs without constant management and training.
And pitbulls were bred for fighting... other dogs. Human aggression was strictly trained out at that time. A human aggressive pitbull wouldn't be able to be handled and cared for during / after a dog fight. I'm not promoting dog fighting at all. Just saying a fact: human aggression would not be a desirable trait in a fighter and was bred out. Dogs that attack humans are either poorly socialized or have a medical condition. Both are ticking timebombs without constant management and training.
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This thread roused my curiosity regarding fatal attacks by dogs so I looked up some of the stats. Anyone on this forum has a computer so it would be just as easy for them to do the same so I won't try to list those statistics here. All I can say is anyone who believes pitbulls and rotties are just like any other breed and they're just getting bad press from the media hasn't looked at the facts.
I don't think any breed of dog should be banned, and I agree that how they're raised and trained makes all the difference in how they behave. At the same time I have to wonder about people who don't take special precautions with their dogs when it's a breed that's known for hurting so many people. Most of the maulings or fatal attacks were done by dogs that had never exhibited aggressive behavior before. If you own a big dog, any big dog, be a responsible owner and not allow a situation to occur where you'll be left saying, "Wow, he never ate a baby before."
The parents of the child in this story should do jail time for letting their kid be killed. Same holds true for parents who leave a gun laying around where kids can get their hands on it and shoot themselves or someone else.
I don't think any breed of dog should be banned, and I agree that how they're raised and trained makes all the difference in how they behave. At the same time I have to wonder about people who don't take special precautions with their dogs when it's a breed that's known for hurting so many people. Most of the maulings or fatal attacks were done by dogs that had never exhibited aggressive behavior before. If you own a big dog, any big dog, be a responsible owner and not allow a situation to occur where you'll be left saying, "Wow, he never ate a baby before."
The parents of the child in this story should do jail time for letting their kid be killed. Same holds true for parents who leave a gun laying around where kids can get their hands on it and shoot themselves or someone else.
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Thats true and a dog bite from a chihuahua wont cause much physical damage if any so i doubt anyone will care about someone getting nipped by a poodle but any larger dog increases the likelihood and amount of damage that can be caused especially by dogs like pits, rottis, german shepherds etc that may have more muscle/stronger jaws or whatever. I feel thats another reason attacks from these dogs are the only ones publicized for the most part. Accidents happen and you cant say a dog will never bite someone because you never know and when it happens with an animal like that well....weve seen the results. Its not the animal or breeds fault its just how it is.
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Sparkman they are just like other dogs. Any dog is capable of biting someone. Many dogs are capableof causing severe injury if they choose to bite. And I do mean "choose to bite". A dog does not "try to bite" anyone. They do not miss unless impaired in some way. A dog that snaps at someone was giving a very clear message: go away or next time it's on
My dog is on average 20lbs - 25lbs and 12" - 16" at the shoulders... And they were originally bred to hunt small game, boar and bears. They are one of the recognized 14 breeds that are genetically closest to wolves. Full grown, a Shiba Inu can easily maul a small child which are the leading victims of all dog attacks. Right now my girlfriend and I are suffering Kai's play biting. I was actually concerned at one time he wasn't playing. I found out differently one day when he gave me a taste of a real bite.
An acquaintance's Shiba Inu "playing"
The real facts are that most aggressive dogs are the results of poor socialization, poor training methods or neglect.
My dog is on average 20lbs - 25lbs and 12" - 16" at the shoulders... And they were originally bred to hunt small game, boar and bears. They are one of the recognized 14 breeds that are genetically closest to wolves. Full grown, a Shiba Inu can easily maul a small child which are the leading victims of all dog attacks. Right now my girlfriend and I are suffering Kai's play biting. I was actually concerned at one time he wasn't playing. I found out differently one day when he gave me a taste of a real bite.
An acquaintance's Shiba Inu "playing"
The real facts are that most aggressive dogs are the results of poor socialization, poor training methods or neglect.
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Having worked with dogs for many years (was a K9 officer years ago), trained dogs, and attended advanced training courses and even 40 hours of dog psychology, a dog attacking a child (or anyone for that matter) is the owner or handler's responsibility. They failed to properly supervise their animal, properly train the animal, and properly control it.
An interesting example that causes misinterpretation: Sight cues that we as humans give off are different for canines - for instance, study on barring the teeth several years ago; dogs bare their teeth to show or counter aggression. We show our teeth (children) when smiling and laughing. Big difference to us, not to a dog.
An interesting example that causes misinterpretation: Sight cues that we as humans give off are different for canines - for instance, study on barring the teeth several years ago; dogs bare their teeth to show or counter aggression. We show our teeth (children) when smiling and laughing. Big difference to us, not to a dog.
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According to this study:http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Atta...%20Clifton.pdf , out of 264 fatal dog attacks, pit bull terriers were responsible for 104 deaths, rottweilers 58, huskies 13, wolf hybrids 18.
I'm not trying to badmouth any breed of dog. I was just saying that pitts and rotties aren't the same as poodles and collies.
I'm not trying to badmouth any breed of dog. I was just saying that pitts and rotties aren't the same as poodles and collies.
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According to this study:http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Atta...%20Clifton.pdf , out of 264 fatal dog attacks, pit bull terriers were responsible for 104 deaths, rottweilers 58, huskies 13, wolf hybrids 18.
I'm not trying to badmouth any breed of dog. I was just saying that pitts and rotties aren't the same as poodles and collies.
I'm not trying to badmouth any breed of dog. I was just saying that pitts and rotties aren't the same as poodles and collies.
And Pit Bull attacks are sensationalized by the media. This is from a study done by the National Canine Research Center:
- August 18, 2007 - A Labrador mix attacked a 70-year-old man sending him to the hospital in critical condition. Police officers arrived at the scene and the dog was shot after charging the officers. This incident was reported in ONE (1) article and only in the local paper.
- August 19, 2007 - A 16-month old child received fatal head and neck injuries after being attacked by a mixed breed dog. This attack was reported TWO (2) times by the local paper.
- August 20, 2007 - A 6-year-old boy is hospitalized after having his ear torn off and receiving severe bites to the head by a medium-sized mixed breed dog. This attack was reported in ONE (1) article and only in the local paper.
- August 21, 2007 - A 59-year-old woman was attacked in her home by two Pit bulls who had entered through her doggy door. She was trying to break up a dog fight. The dogs had seen a neighbor’s Jack Russell terrier enter the home. She was hospitalized with severe injuries. This incident was reported in over two hundred and thirty (230) articles in national and international newspapers, as well as major television news networks, including CNN, MSNBC and FOX.
Any medium+ dog breed can maim or kill a human, especially a child. It's a matter of training and socialization, or lack thereof, that turns the family pet into a ticking timebomb. My personal thought is that pit bulls (which covers more than a single breed of dog btw) suffers from the same problem GSXr riders do: popularity. There are a ton of gixxers out there so the bike is maligned a squid bike simply because there are more examples of them.
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Right now my girlfriend and I are suffering Kai's play biting. I was actually concerned at one time he wasn't playing. I found out differently one day when he gave me a taste of a real bite
Now another piece of advice I was given is never allow the dog(your dog) to "play bite" or even mouth you. (I dont even let a dog lick me, but fortunately mine doesnt try -he licks out his tongue but doesnt touch you) The reason for the dont let them mouth or "play bite" is they need to know it's always wrong. When they dont, sooner or later you will get the real one. I need my hands for clutches and brakes, bass playin' and the lovlies
. Ive seen what a bite can do to motor control if the teeth make it through nerves and muscle..be careful buddy...IMO