I originally wrote this for internal use only,well the information that isit has been changed around and rewrittenso it could be posted by a friend of mine on a Marine forum. This is just a small piece of what was used and what was given permission to release


Something that was tested and worked flawlessly, the H&K MP5/10mm after the FBI dropped the ball on the 10mm it has about 1400 MP5/10MM and a handful of factory MP5-SD6/10MM and six were loaned out to the Precision Weapons Shop (PWS) at Quantico. Given to Force Recon to use in CQ it was devastating the knock down of a 44 mag without the over-penetrate of the 5.56 and a lot more stopping power than a 9 mm offered a little later some conversion kit were located to change over CAR M-4 to 10mm and capable of efficiently fire at 150 yards with for 14 inch custom barrels, so things went well for us maybe not so for PWS and even got some freebie conversion kit from colt for the M1911 frame's big hang up there was the stop pin for the slide Snapping them like toothpicks. O well and it came down again to the age-old story, money. The closest comparison I have is, the Romania's build a kalashnikov model with 4-way selector [safe, semi, full and a 3 round burst] I had use of one that had been converted into a standard spetsnaz configuration, a real joy to use. Now back to the 10mm Truly feel that having the capability to use the same ammunition in both weapons will far outweigh the implementation cost and been

 

Several differences, one being the obvious size of bullet. The smaller differences also include the .44 being a lighter gun (they flute the barrels to shave some weight on everything but the .50AE), and, at least here in Oklahoma, anything bigger than .45 and it can't be a legally "concealed" piece, so the .50ae can't be used as such (though one might argue that a desert eagle is obnoxiously large for a gun your trying to actually hide in the first place). Another difference is price per round (new). I'm not sure about the .44's cost per round, but my .50ae runs me about $1.50 a bullet sent down range. (I don't re-load, I don't know how to do it, don't care to spend the money for the set-up cost to start, and the company doesn't recommend you use re-loads, and it voids any warantee you have, if they figure out you've been using them). And last, the .50ae requires more maintenance, having to replace the recoil springs almost (though not quite) twice as often.

Oh, and as I was about to post this, I remembered a website I checked out before I bought mine... it says this... "That translates into 1,500 ft./lbs. of muzzle energy, or 40-50% more oomph than .44 Magnum six-guns offer.". (site here)

 

I'm almost embarrassed to post here, becase you guys have such nice guns, but I do have a few. There'sa Ruger "P" series 9mm, Ruger Security Six 357 mag, 2Marlin 22 rifles, a Mossberg 12 ga., and an H&R 22 revolver (my first). They weremostly gifts from my dad, and slowly accumulated over the years. I'll try to get some pictures up soon.

Talkin' guns reminds me of a friend of mine who has a concealed weapons permit here in Ohio.He is 140 pounds soaking wet, maybe 5'-8", and carries a 50 cal. DE! If you knew him, you would never guess he's packing, but his mom was killed in their liquor store when he was a young teen, and ever since then, he has carried. Hey, at least now he is doing it legally, right?

I considered a C/C liscense myself, but with kids, I think it would send the wrong message and raise too many questions if they saw it. And besides, little kids have problems keeping their mouth shut. I wonder how many times my 6 year old would tell a perfect stranger that I have a gun under my shirt. lol!

 

I have a CC permit, but in VA it's legal to open carry. I've carried ever since I could legally and have open carried quite a bit too, even when with my son. But, he's only 2 and doens't know what a gun is. When he gets older I'll probably be more discrete about it around him.

It has raised questions and some people in VA have been harassed even while legally open carrying by police ignorant to the laws, but my experiences (even with law enforcement) when carrying openly or concealed have always been positive.

I'm not going to post all of my guns on here though (sorry), I don't want to leave a potential online "shopping list" for any thieves who may somehow be able to figure out what I have and where I live, even though a majority of the guns I own aren't kept at my home... at least the ones worth stealing aren't.

 

I don't see how teaching responsible gun ownership to children could be bad. You just have to make sure you tell them no one is supposed to know about it, don't let them know you carry(concealed is concealed). The fact you have child(ren) should be enough to make you want to carry. Crime happens everywhere at any time. Why do people have to wait until something happens to them personally to do something about assuring their personal safety. Sure, the chances are slim you will need to use a CCW, but so are the chances of your house burning down and you still have smoke detectors and an extinguisher, right?

 

Damn !!!!!!! you guys all from Idaho or something, or maybe watched to many movies...............[sm=sorry.gif] jus f*ckin with you guys,[sm=smiley2.gif]got few gun nuts at work,me I all I got is a 22 cal remington with a nylon stock all the empty beer cans fear me

 

I don't think there's anything wrong with teaching responsible gun ownership to my kids. In fact, I do. I keep them locked up in a case on one floor of the house (the guns, not the kids)with all of the ammo on a separate floor (also locked up). They know I have weapons in the house, and also know not to try to get into them (well, the oldest does, the youngest is only 1 yr old). I make it very clear that they are not toys, and have no business in their hands (until they get older, of course). I don't think this will be a problem, though, since I have 2 girls (oldest is 6), that is, unless their friends find out and start snooping. As much as my kids respect me (well as much as they can at their age, I guess) and try to listen to what I ask, that doesn't mean that they won't tell one of their friends (even in strict confidence) that I carry, or that I have guns in the house. I just think it's hard (almost impossible) to hide things from your kids, and it's just not worth it (I know you didn't say this, but it is an option).Your kidsdon't always do what you would like, also. Asking a six year old to keep an important secret is too much to expect. Do you have kids? Doesn't sound like you do.

As far as wanting to carry because I have kids, I just don't get it. For me, I feel like it would create more problems than it would make solutions. I feel the same way about keeping loaded firearms in the house. Look, what if one of my kids found a loaded gun when I wasn't home (when they're older, of course-i don't leave a 6 year old at home alone)? How about when their grandparents are watching? They don't get around so great anymore, and don't always know exactly what the grandkids are doing at all times. It just seems too dangerous to be worth the protection it might offer.

Freebie, good point about not posting pics. I don't think I will now, you guys can just look up my guns online, you'll get the idea. Either way, my guns are nothing special anyway, so I doubt someone would bother taking the risk.

 

I'm a firm believer in teaching responsible gun ownership to kids. I'm involved with a shooting club that does just that and may be in the process of becoming an NRA certified instructor in the future.

But, kids are kids. Even if they know they're not supposed to "know" that you're carrying, kids can't grasp all of the potential consequences of people konwing. They could tell their friends in confidence, who tell their friends, then the parents find out, then all kinds of crap can happen from there.

I think if you carry, don't let your kids know until they're old enough to grasp all of the reasons behind "concealed" carry.

As far as carrying while with your kids... I do it all the time with mine. I would MUCH rather have mine and not need it, than need it and not have it. If it's concealed, only you, people you tell and those with trained eyes to spot them will know. A gun isn't going to just "go off" by itself unless you leave it in an unsafe condition. Carry safely, don't even touch it unless you're holstering or unholstering it at home or if the situation warrants it and there will be no issues.

People have raised their own concerns about me carrying while with my son. I just tell them that I remind myself how I would feel if someone tried to kidnap, hurt or threaten him or worse, and I was unable to do anything in his defense. I would beat myself up over it for the rest of my life. I just consider myself my family's "bodyguard". Police usually show up after the act has been committed and the damage was done. I don't want to have to wait for help and feel powerless. I will do anything to draw harm away from my family, even it means I myself end up being harmed. My family is worth it.

As far as keeping loaded guns in the home. I do. I have several in strategic locations and only one other person knows (wifey) where they are. Of course, my son is too young and incapable of finding them right now, but that definitely will change as he gets older. Long before that time I plan on having places where I can safely keep them where nobody can access them (like an electronic unlocking quick-access pistol safe).

I grew up around them. I knew from the time I was 10 where my dad kept his loaded pistol and I could access it if I wanted to. But, I had learned very early on about firearm capabilities, safe handling and essentially to stay away from them without consent and supervision of my dad. Hell, I even found out early on that my dad carried. It was purely by accident. My dad explained to me why I couldn't tell anybody and that he shouldn't know when he does. I sometimes would ask him out of curiosity (and discreetly) if he was, and he would never tell me yes or no.

 

I got a sweet bb gun. I can take an eye out from 10 yards.

 

I see your point Freebie, but it's just not for me.