Whose to blame?

 

The children.

 

I say let them burn their bras... Run around topless and take mens jobs. That will leave us men with more time to ride!

 

Both. Men want or try do be something other than a man, and women try to be something other than a lady. Two completely different roles. If a woman wants to succeed and make it on her own, by all mean do so and all the best wishes of success from me, but on the other hand, don't go bashing guys taking care of their responsibilities and labeling them as "men" as a bad thing. We wonder why kids are all f'd up nowadays....how many kids come from a home with a mom and a dad? Not a third dad, moms new boyfriend, been divorced three time kinda deal but really, the traditional household really isn't the norm anymore, and we wonder why kids are all screwed up. It doesn't take a villaige to raise a kid, it takes a mom and a dad. The dad, isn't so soft around the edges, hes hard, but approving, hes kinda like the first glimpse into the real world where no-one is gonna cut you any favors or slack. When you do good, great, and when not, theres a swift kick in the *** to remind you that your not "special" and you gotta make it on your own accord. Then theres Mom, yes, moms unconditional love, a staple in life, it is what it is and I can't fault it. Mom is always there for you to remind you that good or bad, someone loves you and on the other side of the coin is Dad, giving you a hard slap of reality, pushing you into the world to make it or break it. Own up, be rsponsible, take ownership of your actions and realize that joe public really doesn't care about you, you have to cut your own path. I firmly believe there are three kinds of people, 1) those who watch things happen, 2)those who make things happen, and 3) those who wonder what happened.

 

My situation, has went further than what i posted, there are three members(they know who they are) who check up on me and know whats currently going on a little better. As far as my situation, my gf is keeping OUR child against her mothers wishes, her mother came to her senses and is dealing with it. Now this is not your "lets have a kid and things will get better" situation, anyone with half a brain knows that does not make things better, neither does marriage. My situation recap'd, GF & I want a baby, she is young yes, and so am i...and? She ends up getting pregnant after we thought she wouldn't, things are perfectly normal, she finally tells her mother, mother gets in her head and tries to force something on her that she doesn't want, gf falls into her mothers will for a day, people who actually know her mother is wrong get to her, and she goes back to her original mindset of wanting to keep the baby, mom doesn't like it, keeps trying at convincing for an abortion, doesn't matter doesn't work. her mom doesn't like me, doesn't want me over there or calling, whatever, we still make things work...after all one of my two jobs is down the street from my gf's job. Things are hard yes...but not impossible, after all everything good comes at a price thats worth paying. So there you have it, whats meant to happen is happening, it is what it is, but thats not what sparked this thread, what sparked it is all of the bull**** thats going on today in our country, i am part native american and part african american, mostly native, you wanna talk about opression? Look at my ancestors...one was forcefully brought to a country that wasn't theirs...and the others had an entire country taken from them. The issues at hand, we went from one oppression to another...racism to sexism...its all bull**** but its the way the world is...and that in two simple words..."F*cked Up". If you don't feel any oppression as a man then sew your eyes shut along with your mouth...its obvious you can't see outside of the little box known as your home. As a society...the human society...we are falling into a rut because too many people are trying to get on top of the next man just to get what they want and satisfy themselves...i can say so about the black race(which i am part of) a lot of the women are so busy complaining about how a man is always ******* them out and doing this and how they say "**** men i want money" to realize that we are being pulled down by our own mistakes...being able to perform physical duties and labor doesn't make you a man...taking care of EVERY SINGLE ONE of your responsibilities makes you a man...whether your single, married, have kids or not...or even a father who is on his own with his kid(s) playing both the role of mother and father, we are an adverse race with many strengths for a reason...but it seems nobody sees that anymore. Changing a tire...*****...women aren't as helpless as people think, and men aren't as strong and people think, it's obvious we were created as the others centerpoint...but you have blind idiots who really don't care...they just want for themselves...and nobody else.

Humankind - Destroying itself from within

Edit:And Shocktroop: I come from a family where both my father, and mother, are still together...how? Only God knows...because tons of **** has happened between them to, i'm a family oriented person even though my family for the most part is broken into "those who really are" and "those who are just related". You don't need a person of the same sex to talk to and get your problems out, although sometimes it does help, its not NEEDED. I grew up with my mother being there 200% and my father being there for me when he felt like it...and only at my worst times did he turn and help....and even that seemed half-assed, his path is one i WILL NOT walk...he's there...but barely.

 

I came from a both parent family and still together. Its just exactly like Shock said, and i could not agree witheither of his statementsmore than i already do. Dont matter though, enjoy the show, we are all in the age of getting to watch the world end anyhow.

 

You know I didn’t realize how sexist things were till I went thru a divorce. My first attorney tried to “enlighten� me, I thought he was stupid so I went and found another one. It turns out, things really were as bad as the first one tried to tell me. Here are few facts I found out going thru mine.
The courts here will not award “shared custody� unless the mother agrees to it.

Joint custody is nothing like it sounds. The mother actually has all the rights of full custody and the father just gets a revocable visitation and the right to pay support. In fact, the maternal grandparents or even the baby sitter chosen by the mother has more legal authority over the children than the father when joint custody is awarded.

If a woman files a complaint with the court under the “violence against women act of 1984� She needs no witness, no medical report, no police report, no pictures, no evidence at all, just her word and the judge will issue a restraining order on the man because the court is scared to do otherwise for “liability� reasons.

The Child support enforcement agency has over 100 programs designed to help women, mothers and children. Not a single one to help men or fathers.
If you owe her money, the CSEA will use garnishment, drivers license revocation or jail time to enforce the collection of “her� money. If you pay too much and she ends up owing you money, your on your own trying to collect it, they will not help even though its their fault you paid too much.

Medical bills in the state of Ohio: Did you know fellows that, lets use an extreme example……lets say you married a woman with a good income and you never worked. You were a house husband…… Your wife was a bit sickly and wound up with lots of medical bills. Fell in love and ran off with the doctor and divorced you’re a$$…. Guess who is the responsible party for all of her medical bills? You are…the man. A totally sexist law, still on the books and everyone knows its sexist but nobody does anything about. That’s right, if you are a woman, under Ohio law, you cannot be sought for payment of your own medical bills that were incurred during a marriage.

In further exploration of this subject. I also found out that as a man you have limited rights over your unborn child. If you get a girl pregnant and you don’t want the child, you can’t get it aborted, it’s up to her. If you do want the child, you cant save it if she wants to kill it. Under the law, that baby has no relationship to you at all unless she decides to keep it. Then the law says it’s yours and you must pay and the only benefit you can get is that revocable visitation I mentioned earlier.

Sorry for the long post
Like someone else said....I could go on a lot further....

 

i will agree with you on that one
That'd be me, i know its hard to remember who said what when you post responses that long, i do it all the time and end up having to backtrack, but back on topic. After reading your post i'm like wtf...my mom had mentioned joint custody to me earlier when i was talking to her about what was going on, i had NO idea it was like that. I also talked to my gf today when i walked her home from work...her words "women should have more rights because we have to carry a child for 9 months"...yea right it takes two to reproduce not one...rights are supposed to be equal, yes there are countries that have it worse off where a woman can't do jack ****...but this isn't that country...this is the UNITED(Emphasis on UNITED) states of america...nothing but a bunch of United Problems if you ask me. But hey humanity seems to be a on a warpath for destruction anyway...it's a messed up world that we live in...it's not going to change or get better

 

I can see how women carrying the baby for 9 months, and lets face it even today there are still some health risks for the women. So for a lack of a better word women should be "compensated" more for that fact alone. But other then that fact the rest is pretty equal. I gotta say though reading Rods post is pretty scary, i didnt realize it was that bad either.

 

I DUNNO MAN! they didn't have sweet bikes back then, I LOVE THIS CENTURY!!!!


on a serious note about this topic: I think its all about balance lone, I mean yea women are getting all this new perks to been a woman if you will, but eventually these new laws are gonna get old and boys are gonna be boys and en will be men. I used to give it thought like you but trust be forevery great powerful woman out there theres a great powerful man to equal her strengths if not more...


BACK to you Nauree...WOULD YOU REALLY GIVE UP YOUR HONDA FOR THOSE TIMES???