this is the most active i've seen nate in awhile! beautiful dog nate and these stereotypes about pits **** me off, the last pit i had was scared of her own damn shadow half the time. one of the most lovable dogs i've ever had.

 

I've had everything from A rottie to a 178 lb bull mastiff and my 96 lb pit is by far the absolute best dog. It's bad owners not dogs. Mine is great with people and thinks he is a lap dog. But he is terrible with other animals sooo... He isn't put in a situation to be around other animals problem solved. These stats that come out are just bs. I want stats of how many owners have hormon imbalance issues, testosterone overload, and an IQ test. I live near Philly where fighting is everywhere these people should get the same treatment they give. 2 put in a room each with a knife until 1 is dead. And the winner keeps fighting until dead. Fighting dogs would decrease quickly.

 

hum why would this have anything to do with eating there. who cares about there ads. the food is wat matters and it sucks anyways. im fine with the ad. dont like dogs anyways(do i dare to say that here??dam right) i wouldn't pet a dog anyway you look at it. any animal ether.

 

Yeah, Pace, seems like it cycles which dog is the current demon of the time period.

Heh - yeah, place just isn't quite as exciting without me huh

I'm all for that tchy.

I suspect you won't be getting an invite to the NDFC.....

Oh and I hear the Rocketeer liked men.

 

nope just not the same around here. dont know what to do with myself anymore!

 

I had a 9 month old pit bull/mastiff mix and a 4 year old chocolate lab when my daughter was born. Had to get rid of the lab after a few months, she was not good with my daughter. My pit mix was excellent with my daughter, and still is 3 years later. As with any dog, I wouldn't leave my daughter unattended with ANY dog, but I trust my dog with my daughter.

Never aggressive towards my little one, the only problem we have is with her tail. that thing is like a whip. And it hurts sometimes when she gets too excited and that tail gets going.

 

Wats ndfc???

 

Guys, I didn't intend to start a war when I posted the links to stats about the most dangerous dogs. I've owned 3 of the top 10 most dangerous dogs in that list - Doberman (#6), Chow (#7) and Boxer (#9).

Our Doberman was one of the most gentle dogs ever. Our 4-year-old daughter would ride around the living room on her back. Our Chow mix slept in her bed. Our Boxer that we currently have would only harm someone by licking them to death.

I accept that those dogs are in the top 10 list. It doesn't bother me. I also know what the #1 dog is in most of the lists I Googled. I would never own one for that reason.

 

Stereotypes are whatever erroneous analysis of raw data that's reported the loudest and most. I could give several examples but I dislike deleting my own posts (and not sure I can ban myself).

The raw data is that dogs that look like pit bulls are involved in the most reported injuries. THAT'S IT. Doesn't mean chit beyond that. Training, socialization and treatment isn't represented in the raw data. I'm positive if i treated Kai and Kia like I see so many of the dogs on that top ten list, I wouldn't want to be in the same neighborhood as them. Socialized by watching the world thru a chain link fence where any idiot can torment them thru their formative months. Beaten for any mistake but never rewarded for proper behavior. The majority of the contact with their owners being maybe 1-2 hrs per day.

Kai is utterly fearless and I've felt his jaws before when he's accidently hit my hand instead of a toy. And with his incredible bite inhibition, that chit hurt for a good time without breaking skin. If he ever meant to bite, I'm confident he could easily tear a limb off a toddler. Kai and Kia are (scientifically proven) genetically and tempermentally closer to wolves than every dog on that top ten list. And because they're 20lbs each, everyone ignores how potentially dangerous that could have been (the Japanese used the breed to hunt wild boar and bear).

The way I look at dogs are the same way I look at guns:

• I never trust a gun that's not mine
• I never trust a gun in someone else's hand
• I never blame the gun for the tragedy that happens

It's always the owner.

 

The stereotypes aren't exactly wrong, and the data is definitely not wrong. The only thing that's potentially wrong is confusing correlation with causality.

That said, the 'most dangerous dog breeds' are, in fact, inherently more likely to attack. Pit Bulls, for example (had several when I was much younger), are fraidy cats. Big-time chickens. Think about what fear makes lots of people do. They get aggressive. Not _all_ people, but many. Same general process applies to other animals, too, and the degree or frequency differs with different breeds. Obviously, training plays a large role in what they end up doing, but there is an inherent difference in response in the breeds, and that is simple and demonstrable fact.

Different breeds of dogs are also HIGHLY intolerant of certain other breeds. Some breeds simply want to be "#1" in any/all groups. We had a pit and a chow at one point, and they started attacking one another almost every time my youngest brother played with them. If he talked to or pet one the other would growl, nip, etc. There was nothing he could do to make his attention 'fair' in their minds, and they each escalated the issue until one day no amount of beating on them, even with a 2x4, could get them apart. I ended up shooting the one, and the other lived long enough to get to the vet to be patched up, but shortly died of its wounds anyway.

The point is that there's no point in 'apologizing' for the inherent predilections of certain breeds of dogs. There's no question that they're not inherently rabid killers. Nevertheless, they ARE more aggressive (call it assertive if you will), they ARE more likely to attack regardless of their training or owners, and a couple breeds are even demonstrated very clearly to have some sort of mental change and attack their loving owners with a low but significant degree of reliability.