First Service problems, help!
So its time for my first service on my 06 CBR 600RR. I figured it'd be an easy oild change take about 30-40 minutes, and i'd be ready to roll again. I was mistaken...
I dont know how the honda dealer put my bike together but i could swear they welded the oil pan bolt on.... In any event the bolt is now extremely stipped, it actually looks like this: ( ) if that makes any sense. I swear there is no way the bolt could take this much pressure and not come off yet, it hasnt even moved even with breaking two tools in my attempts. I have a few questions that my friends and i have debated about during the duration of this crappy experience:
1. If you are sitting on your bike facing forward, which direction should the oil pan bolt turn? (I know its a stupid question, but please answer.)
2. Even though the bolt is somewhat stripped, if i can get it off, should it be put back on until a new one arrives or is it safer to just wait?
3. Should i have just gone to the dealership?
Evern though i know the answer to #3 is HELL NO YOU SHOULDN'T, i thought it'd be funny to include it anyway. Thanks guys i appreciate it.
I dont know how the honda dealer put my bike together but i could swear they welded the oil pan bolt on.... In any event the bolt is now extremely stipped, it actually looks like this: ( ) if that makes any sense. I swear there is no way the bolt could take this much pressure and not come off yet, it hasnt even moved even with breaking two tools in my attempts. I have a few questions that my friends and i have debated about during the duration of this crappy experience:
1. If you are sitting on your bike facing forward, which direction should the oil pan bolt turn? (I know its a stupid question, but please answer.)
2. Even though the bolt is somewhat stripped, if i can get it off, should it be put back on until a new one arrives or is it safer to just wait?
3. Should i have just gone to the dealership?
Evern though i know the answer to #3 is HELL NO YOU SHOULDN'T, i thought it'd be funny to include it anyway. Thanks guys i appreciate it.
I know your frustration.... had the same thing on my Tranny fluid refill bolt on my car. Not even a 1.5ft ratchet could get it off.
1) I think you're getting at is if the drain plug is opposite to the conventional threading. I don't think it is.
when facing the bolt, turn it counter-clockwise to loosen.
2) I'd wait til I get a new bolt, then struggle to get the stripped on off... don't bother putting it back on!
3) yeah right...
good luck
1) I think you're getting at is if the drain plug is opposite to the conventional threading. I don't think it is.
when facing the bolt, turn it counter-clockwise to loosen.
2) I'd wait til I get a new bolt, then struggle to get the stripped on off... don't bother putting it back on!
3) yeah right...
good luck
Hey,
From the factory they use torque specs for everything, so things will definetly be a little more difficult to remove then after say the first time. You should probably purchse the oil filter wrench tool for removing the filter as well it will be on there at about 22ft torque. Anyways I will have to plead that you did not use the correct tool to remove the bolt. You should have used a perfect size socket, not one that's "close enough" LOL. Also a 1/2 inch drive rachet and if needed the ole wrench on the end of the rachet trick for extra leverage. Keeping it all straight as possible while you apply pressure to it.
It's done now. I would suggest the following
-Purchase a filter removing tool
-Purchase a new oil pan bolt and washer
To get the stripped bolt out is going to be tuff to explain here at work on my lunch.. But maybe some heat to the pan around the bolt, and if you can get a proper grip on it with vice grips?
I will leave more suggestions to others on this one.
Always remember this when removing or tighting a bolt. When looking at it. Lefty loosey, righty tighty. Hope that helps..
No you should not have gone to the dealer and paid $150 for a $40 oil change. Just be sure to inspect everything over on the bike. Chain, fluids, bolts, nuts etc... Plus now you learn how not to remove a stripped oil pan bolt, and how not to strip it next time!
Adam..
From the factory they use torque specs for everything, so things will definetly be a little more difficult to remove then after say the first time. You should probably purchse the oil filter wrench tool for removing the filter as well it will be on there at about 22ft torque. Anyways I will have to plead that you did not use the correct tool to remove the bolt. You should have used a perfect size socket, not one that's "close enough" LOL. Also a 1/2 inch drive rachet and if needed the ole wrench on the end of the rachet trick for extra leverage. Keeping it all straight as possible while you apply pressure to it.
It's done now. I would suggest the following
-Purchase a filter removing tool
-Purchase a new oil pan bolt and washer
To get the stripped bolt out is going to be tuff to explain here at work on my lunch.. But maybe some heat to the pan around the bolt, and if you can get a proper grip on it with vice grips?
I will leave more suggestions to others on this one.
Always remember this when removing or tighting a bolt. When looking at it. Lefty loosey, righty tighty. Hope that helps..
No you should not have gone to the dealer and paid $150 for a $40 oil change. Just be sure to inspect everything over on the bike. Chain, fluids, bolts, nuts etc... Plus now you learn how not to remove a stripped oil pan bolt, and how not to strip it next time!
Adam..
to get the bolt off...i would cut a line down the middle with a dremmel like this (--) but make sure it's a plenty thick line. then wedge something in there to turn it. it shouldn't be too tight....i think you were tightening the bolt instead. or you can try some bolt extractor...lastly, you can drill out the bolt...but you'll need to drop the pan to get the shavings out so that should be your last resort.
as far as the oil filter, they have some robot on steroids install that from the factory so it will be SOOOOO tight....even a filter wrench may not work. make sure you get one that perfectly fits the filter...not an autoparts one either...that one only comes close. for the majority of the first filters i've done, we had to stuck a screwdriver through it to get enough torque to turn it. various oil filter wrenches, etc. just seemed to crush it.
lastly NO ON THE STEALERS!!!!!!!!! i mean dealers...
as far as the oil filter, they have some robot on steroids install that from the factory so it will be SOOOOO tight....even a filter wrench may not work. make sure you get one that perfectly fits the filter...not an autoparts one either...that one only comes close. for the majority of the first filters i've done, we had to stuck a screwdriver through it to get enough torque to turn it. various oil filter wrenches, etc. just seemed to crush it.
lastly NO ON THE STEALERS!!!!!!!!! i mean dealers...
Okay so we WERE turning it the right way, when looking at the bolt, counter clockwise. At the time the oil pan and bolt were hot to the touch, almost too hot probably, could it possibly have been that the heat expanded the thread and bolt not allowing it to turn as easily?
yeth...quite a possibility. also, in general, if there's a really tight bolt and you try to just muscle it through it will strip. it's better make shift a breaker bar (longer bar so you have more torque) and give it a quick pull to get the bolt to break loose. otherwise, if you just use even force throughout or gradual force, it has a better chance of stripping the bolt.
Friend of mine has an air wrench were going to try. Hopefully the socket can still fit on the stripped bolt enough to jolt it loose, if not, probably going to have to drill it
So i guess i'll make the final report on this, nothing worked, the bolt from yesterday is too badly destroyed... So i have to go to the dealer, they said they can get it out, so whatever they have to do, hopefully they dont crack the oil pan, or if they do at least their responsible for it now.
This may be a little to late, but I know at Sears (Craftsman) they sell closed-end wrenches for stripped bolts. I'm at work, but I'm pretty sure it is a 12mm drain plug on the 06 600RR. Although it may be 11mm on yours by now. My recommendation is buy an 11 or 12mm, or both, stand on the left of bike and pull up. Make sure you have a NEW bolt to replace the stripped one. Keep the old bolt as a reminder 
I broke an extension when I was trying to get my bolt off the first time. The oil filter is just as much fun
. I just went straight to the screw driver technique after the drain plug incident.
Best of luck.

I broke an extension when I was trying to get my bolt off the first time. The oil filter is just as much fun
. I just went straight to the screw driver technique after the drain plug incident.Best of luck.


