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Oh yeah, a wise guy eh?? Spread out..... I lowered my bike 1", and it still looks bitchin, and the performance hasn't been hindered at all. It actually rides better, and handles great. The shop originally wanted to lower the front fork an inch, but they saw that my bike is perfectly level when I sit on the bike. On these bikes, we sit more forward on them, than most bikes in our class. On top of that, for those that go circuit racing and complain that their foot pegs or fairings are scraping. Why don't you get Vortex rear sets for your bike, they raise the pegs up an inch, and are meant to give you more deep lean angles. Nobody has suggested that, and you call yourselves super members my ***.
As far as lowering the bike 3", hey manufacturers give you the option to drop it 1" or 3". So if it was that unsafe, they wouldn't be making them, and to be sued after, if someone got killed or injured from them. There is a lot of R & D that goes into making performance parts you know. If members on here say that lowering their bike 3" was a good thing, without problems, then hey, you have to believe them right? Have you lowered the bike 3" to really know the answer? I've lowered it 1" and think that its the greatest mod I ever did. Well that and my powercommander, and my Michelin Pilot powers.
 
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I lowered my bike 1", and it still looks bitchin, and the performance hasn't been hindered at all. It actually rides better, and handles great.
I seriously doubt that, but it probably does because in your mind you want it too...but hey...as long as it looks "bitchin" right?

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The shop originally wanted to lower the front fork an inch, but they saw that my bike is perfectly level when I sit on the bike.
You and your "shop" obviously have no clue about suspensions and what adjustments like that will do to the handling of the bike...3mm is a lot on the front forks, but an inch WTF!!! I'd try to find another shop dude, cause they don't know what they're doing!

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On these bikes, we sit more forward on them, than most bikes in our class.
That's due to the short wheel base and a design to make the front end more planted on the ground with a quick turning radius.

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On top of that, for those that go circuit racing and complain that their foot pegs or fairings are scraping. Why don't you get Vortex rear sets for your bike, they raise the pegs up an inch, and are meant to give you more deep lean angles. Nobody has suggested that
The original question wasn't about scraping foot pegs, it was about lowering the bike 3" and besides that problem can be fixed by better body position...something you probably don't know much about.

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As far as lowering the bike 3", hey manufacturers give you the option to drop it 1" or 3". So if it was that unsafe, they wouldn't be making them, and to be sued after, if someone got killed or injured from them.
What manufacturers are you talking about...Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, Kawasaki? That's one of the most naive statements I've heard in a long time, but may God have mercy on you if you believe that...

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If members on here say that lowering their bike 3" was a good thing, without problems, then hey, you have to believe them right? Have you lowered the bike 3" to really know the answer?
That's the problem with message boards like this and a lot of people cling to other people's opinions as long as they sound half way intelligent...they may not have any factual basis, but Joe Schmoe says it's the best modification ever, so they run out and do it so they can look and talk cool when they hang out with their squid buddies in the Starbucks parking lot.

I posted a reply earlier about a personal experience I encountered with a person who lowered her RR 3" and hit a large, what she called a "speed bump" in the road going around 50 mph...this bump hit the bottom of her bike, cracked the engine casing, spilled oil on her rear tire, made her lose traction and she had a terrible crash! What do you think about that hunk?
 
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I'm going to do what hunk did and post about 10 of the same replies:

HondaCBR600RRhunk...I asked a friend of mine...someone who I greatly respect and races professionally and here's what he said:

It depends... Just the front? Just the rear? both?

1" is pretty dramatic. If you go from either end alone, the geometry will be all screwed up and it will handle poorly. You will either turn in WAY too fast (front dropped) or turn in WAY too slow (rear dropped).

In every instance, you're going to sacrafice ground clearance which is a HUGE deal on the 600rr. If you're commuting and don't really lean that much, you can get by with it without having a problem, but if you're to the edge of your tires right now (or close to it), you will be dragging pegs, plastics and ultimately case covers until you crash.

Additionally, unless you go with an aftermarket shock to lower the rear, you're stuck using 'dog-bones' to lower it. This REALLY screws up the lever ratio of the rear pro-link suspension. The angles on the 'C' piece of the linkage change pretty significantly which affects the pull on the bike, which affects how the rear shock works.

Overall, lowering the bike is a bad idea. Can it be done? Yes. The proper way to do it would be to:

Replace the rear shock with something aftermarket that can be built shorter.

Lower the front end to match the rear.

Use offset triple clamps to correct the new steering angle.

The total cost on all of this would be around $2000 if not a few bucks more because you would need to have some sort of chassis measurement to ensure the front end is setup right.

Can you do it cheap and have it turn out right? Not really. You're going to sacrafice handling, ground clearance and overall stability.

Hope that helps..
Read and learn...ok?
 
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Old 10-17-2006, 01:41 PM
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^^Thats some insightful inforation right there ^^ . I dont see why anyone would want to lower a 600 by 3'. I think thats a lotta insane. Most of the time you see that done to the bigger bikes. And whoever said that Busa's are piece a Sh** is apparently just pissed because he gets crap from them all the time (IMO) because IMO those are awesome machines(even though its a Suzuki). However you do what you want, but I dont think you are remembering all of the problems you are going to have like stated above (such as steering balance etc.). But if you do it let us know how it goes and show us some pictures when you do it. Good Luck!!
 
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$2000 for the bike to be lowered right?? What are you smoking? Seriously. I haven't had any issues and many others on here who have lowered their bike haven't had issues. YOU TELL ME TO READ AND LEARN. I tell you to EXPERIENCE IT FIRST HAND, AND LEARN BETTER. Its this type of propaganda that people need to be aware of. It maybe true if your lowering the bike dramatically, but 1" is not going to throw everything off. I read in a cycle mag, that the crew lowered their bike 1" in the back only, and this made the rider have better lap times, yes an improvement. For those wanting to lower your bike 1", go for it. Don't let other members convince you to do the opposite. If they really have to convince you not to do it, then there is a good reason for it, and it may not be in your best interest. Lower your ride a bit, and enjoy. Tell me how things are after you do it. You will love it, and you will notice a positive difference. Honestly.

As for me typing to all those other threads about lowering. Well if you didn't suggest NOT to do it, I wouldn't have to throw in my opinion to do otherwise. There is a reason why your a super member. If you ride more than you are on the computer answering threads, than maybe you would see for yourself what you can learn from riding your bike. Let those that want to lower their bike, to lower it okay bud?! Your discouraging people from doing it, just from what a buddy or two are saying about it. I've been there, and done it, you haven't. So your words are empty. Like I said before do it, and see how good it is. You will notice a better difference all around. If you don't like it, you can always spend another hour and remove it, and put the stocker in. Capeesh?!!
 
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$2000 for the bike to be lowered right?? What are you smoking? Seriously.
$2k is not outrageous if you're totally revamping your suspension. IMHO, that's the best way to go. Lowering links leave your rear shock in a position it was not designed to be in.

I haven't had any issues and many others on here who have lowered their bike haven't had issues. YOU TELL ME TO READ AND LEARN. I tell you to EXPERIENCE IT FIRST HAND, AND LEARN BETTER.
[color=#660099]Okay, I'll give you my FIRSTHAND experience. I lowered my F3 1". It was fine...until I took it to the track. I was scraping fairings in the turns. I ended up going back to stock height and even raising the rear higher than stock. So in my firsthand experience, anybody who tells you they haven't had any issues isn't pushing their bike very hard.

Jerpinoyboi, I feel your pain, pare. Go get some lumpia and read more about my experience here (I just don't feel like re-typing it):
http://cbrworld.net/forums/thread/248611.aspx

Can you lower it? Yes. The real question is whether or not you should. Only you can answer that. To do such, I think you first need to determine what your ultimate goal is in relation to riding. Are you just going to tool around town with occasional jaunts into the twisties?? Or are you going to be kneedragging on the rumble strips??? I'm not trying to sway you one way or the other. I'm just sharing the experience from someone whose been there and has taken it to a level that most riders with lowered bikes don't go.

In the link above, I discuss my views on various lowering methods. Hopefully, they can help you make an informed decision. You can decide what works for you (and your budget) if you still decide to lower it. Just realize that you don't get something for nothing (as with any mod on these bikes) and you will be sacrificing something.

Good luck!
 
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I don't know which thread to reply in so I pick this one...

hunk all you succeeded in doing is make yourself look stubborn and thick headed...I'm glad you enjoy your lowered bike, but you haven't offered anything but your opinion (as is mine but more factual).

The suspension modifications are suggested as the "right way to do it," obviously not the only way...I'm amazed that you ignored my example of the girl that crashed from her lowered bike and the very technical example from a professional racer and you discredit as "propaganda?" That amazes me!!! You make it seem like lowering your bike is one of the best kept secrets in the motorcycling community and I'm a protester spreading negative propaganda about it...what a hoot!!!

As far as needing to experience it...sorry...I don't need to lower my bike (I'm only an inch taller than you)...it handles just fine without it...you could tell me that jumping out of an airplane without a parachute is exciting and will improve my sky diving skills and I have enough common sense to be able to figure out that I don't need to experience that...get the picture.

Are you recommending that this "throwing on a dog bone secret" is something that's been missed in the racing circuit and every one should do it to improve their lap times? Maybe you misunderstood that Cycle Mag propaganda...

Like was mentioned in another thread...sure it CAN be lowered, but is it a good performance enhancing idea...no!

Oh and thanks for the laugh...
 
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Old 10-17-2006, 04:02 PM
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I'm guessing the current 600RR setup similar to the old ('01) F4i setup? If so, I'd recommend against dropping your 600RR 3". My F4i is lowered 1" and it's low enough that it doesn't affect the bike's handling, but you still get a lower center of gravity. My front shock has a little bit of travel, but not enough for me to bust wheelies anytime I want...once in awhile maybe, but it's not good on the suspension. Any lower and I'd be picking up pieces of my bike on the highway. So basically, anything over 1" is asking for serious suspension problems, unless you just plan to drag race your bike or ride on smooth surfaces all the time. Good luck.
 
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I'm guessing the current 600RR setup similar to the old ('01) F4i setup?
Dude...they're worlds apart...night and day...near and far...black and white...

You can lower it, but it's not a performance mod...it's perfectly fine if all you want to do is show off your "bitchin" bike at Starbucks...If you're a track junky then 1" is too much, especially if it involves a lowering link...
 
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I'm guessing the current 600RR setup similar to the old ('01) F4i setup?
Dude...they're worlds apart...night and day...near and far...black and white...

You can lower it, but it's not a performance mod...it's perfectly fine if all you want to do is show off your "bitchin" bike at Starbucks...If you're a track junky then 1" is too much, especially if it involves a lowering link...

If you're going to quote...get it right. "I'm guessing the current 600RR setup similar to the old ('01) F4i setup? If so,....

That and the fact that the original poster asked a question....I answered it. Didn't say anything about him/her being a track junkie...just asking how a 3" drop would affect his suspension. I gave my opinion. Not everyone here is a track junkie or does mods to their bikes just for performance. Seriously....I really dislike it when people talk out their neck just to get post points. Geez.....
 


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