Felt the back slipping out - few questions
I hit a right hand turn today that was posted at 15 and probably hit it at 30. Ive done this turn a few times before and never had any problems but on this one I felt the back slipping out an my toe dragged on the ground. Needless to say I freaked out haha I thought I was going over for sure. I have a few questions...
1. What should my foot position be when riding? I read somewhere that you should always be on the balls of your feet. I usually ride more in the middle of my feet so I am closer to the shifter and the brake. What should I do here? 2. Where to place weight around a turn. I read that placing weight on the outside turning foot is best. For example on a right hand turn I should place weight on my left foot. Is this right? 3. Where to place body on turns? I think I had too much weight on the front end of the bike and thats why the back started to slip out. 4. Clutch in or out around turns? I usually ride twisties in 2nd gear at around 7-9k RPM. Is this okay? I feel like this takes more weight off the back of the bike and could cause it to slip out. Please give me some tips guys I am not trying to go down haha. EDIT: Tires are in good shape |
Had a long post replying here... then hit the back button (I blame Rum & Cokes).
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It may have been road debris- I've felt mine slip on what looked like a clean surface that turned out to have dirty sand. Couldn't see it till I came back through slow.
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"Couldn't see it till I came back through slow", This is the reason for scouting before sporting. You don't ride hot till you've examined the course. That's true on or off the track. Look first and plan for the variables is the smart way to play the game.
Don't try for max speed on the first pass, note it and try INCREMENTAL speed increases. Remember you get the most points for not crashing in the street game. Don't confuse street riding with sport riding. Street riding is how you get to sport rides. Avoid the "beat-every-corner" mentality for every day commutes, practise SMOOTH. That's what will make you fast. When you want to sport ride, pick a 2-5 mile section of un-populated street (your milage may varie), slow-roll it. Look at the angles, radiuii, debris/potholes for that stretch, fix it in your mind. THEN go back to the start and pick-up the pace. Run that stretch a couple of times, paying attention to your speed. If you know how fast you were going, you can gradually increasing it. At first don't run that stretch backwards at speed), it will only confuse you (Hallett Raceway quit reversing the track direction for afternoon runs on trackdays, too many crashes. Learn that section, and keep coming back to it. Don't try going all out on an unfamiler road. That way lies madness and pain. The reason that trackers get those insane speeds... the course doesn't change! They memorize it and the speed/positioning for the perfect run on that course. One note, regarding the nature of this post. Always keep other drivers in mind when on public roads!! I always regard my side of the line as the ONLY "track" available. If you cross into the on-coming lane, at any time, you lose points (major points and possibly your life!!). The streets are NOT a race-track. You should never push the bike to it's/your's absolute limit. Always hold back a reserve for that "OHhh, SHOOT!!" moment, because it WILL happen. No one wants you to be injured or killed, "Where's the fun in that?". I advocate using every moment of saddle time to improving your skills, but you don't have to red-line a bike on the street to do that. Focus on smooth, firm control of the bike, you'll be glad you did. Ern |
all great advice for sure. I like to get into a low enough gear that I keep a load on my back wheel as I enter the corner but be careful that you don't drop into too low of a gear as you will upset the stability of the bike. It is fully possible that you just caught a little debris so don't worry too much about it. The more time you spend on the bike the more comfortable you will get.
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+1 Hatter and Kuroshio.
ok - you mention lower gear(2nd or 3rd) at 7-9K? That is around max torque on any of them. Is it possible that in the lower gear you gave too much trottle in the lean and lost traction? Just a thought..... last a posted 15 curve at 30. Now I do that, double the posted limit sometimes when I know the ** isolated** road. Around here in the mountains I have found the posted limits can be a VERY good suggestion :-) especially if you don't know the road. |
Originally Posted by MadHattr059
(Post 1081524)
"Couldn't see it till I came back through slow", This is the reason for scouting before sporting. You don't ride hot till you've examined the course. That's true on or off the track. Look first and plan for the variables is the smart way to play the game.
Don't try for max speed on the first pass, note it and try INCREMENTAL speed increases. Remember you get the most points for not crashing in the street game. Don't confuse street riding with sport riding. Street riding is how you get to sport rides. Avoid the "beat-every-corner" mentality for every day commutes, practise SMOOTH. That's what will make you fast. When you want to sport ride, pick a 2-5 mile section of un-populated street (your milage may varie), slow-roll it. Look at the angles, radiuii, debris/potholes for that stretch, fix it in your mind. THEN go back to the start and pick-up the pace. Run that stretch a couple of times, paying attention to your speed. If you know how fast you were going, you can gradually increasing it. At first don't run that stretch backwards at speed), it will only confuse you (Hallett Raceway quit reversing the track direction for afternoon runs on trackdays, too many crashes. Learn that section, and keep coming back to it. Don't try going all out on an unfamiler road. That way lies madness and pain. The reason that trackers get those insane speeds... the course doesn't change! They memorize it and the speed/positioning for the perfect run on that course. One note, regarding the nature of this post. Always keep other drivers in mind when on public roads!! I always regard my side of the line as the ONLY "track" available. If you cross into the on-coming lane, at any time, you lose points (major points and possibly your life!!). The streets are NOT a race-track. You should never push the bike to it's/your's absolute limit. Always hold back a reserve for that "OHhh, SHOOT!!" moment, because it WILL happen. No one wants you to be injured or killed, "Where's the fun in that?". I advocate using every moment of saddle time to improving your skills, but you don't have to red-line a bike on the street to do that. Focus on smooth, firm control of the bike, you'll be glad you did. Ern |
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