As soon as I can ride again ...
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RE: As soon as I can ride again ...
A friend of mine, IanJ, has a series of videos on You Tube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C848R9xWrjc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLzB5oriblk
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=IanJSeattle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C848R9xWrjc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLzB5oriblk
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=IanJSeattle
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RE: As soon as I can ride again ...
ORIGINAL: lonewolfcbr
How many years riding experience do you have? More than me im sure...but your body..and the bike...act as a gyroscope....you cant sit on your bike like a stick in the mud...yes it counter steers but there are instances where you HAVE to move your body...im sure that the motogp guys lean and hang off for no reason though..(sarcasm)
How many years riding experience do you have? More than me im sure...but your body..and the bike...act as a gyroscope....you cant sit on your bike like a stick in the mud...yes it counter steers but there are instances where you HAVE to move your body...im sure that the motogp guys lean and hang off for no reason though..(sarcasm)
I have been riding for 17 years now since I was 16 and I had very intensive tuition on counter steering from my dad (a biker for 40 years at the time) during my first year on the road ... I have practised this technique non stop ever since ..
..your body and the bike dont act as a gyroscope ..they simply cant!! ..the only thing that can act as a gyroscope is a rotating mass and that means the wheels of the bike, predominently the front wheel in our case .. check out the definition of gyroscope and gyroscopic precession ..*that* is the phenomenon we are using here .. sure "leaning off" has its place and its a very subjective issue .. it tends to be something some choose to do once in a bend but for the purposes of actually making the bike kick over in the first place its counter steering that does this ... more to the point of what I am talking about is not the single bend you go round where you may choose to lean off or not, but the series of fast tight S bends where the bike is flipped quickly from side to side, in this instance and especially in the instance of obstacle avoidence ..then its counter steering alone that will save your neck ...
In that bike I posted about above the one with the fixed bars ..they proved that no matter what the guys did ..climbing around all over the bike and trying to lean off it they just could not make it turn ...
Read this bit again its important ...
At this writing, we have run nearly 100 riders of all experience levels on this double barred bike. It has made believers out of every single one in the actuality of countersteering of course. Even at speeds of no more than 20 to 35 mph, no matter how much you tug or push or pull or jump around on the bike, the best we saw was that the bike wiggled and became somewhat unstable. Did it turn? Not really. Would it turn at higher speed? Absolutely not. Could you avoid something in your path? No Way. Could anyone quick turn the bike? Hopeless! The best result was one of my riding coaches. He got into a full hang-off position and was able to persuade the bike, by jerking on it, to start on a wide, wide arc in the paddock at Laguna Seca, a piece of asphalt that is about 500 X 800 feet. Like turning an oil tanker ship, start at noon and be on the turning arc at around 1:00 PM. It wasnt smooth and it wasnt very effective. We now call this bike "The NO BS Bike". There are no doubts in anyones mind after they ride it that they have been countersteering all along. No doubts.
You can hear riders, who believed in the body-steering method, laughing in their helmets at 100 yards away once they get those solid mounted bars in their hands and try to body-steer the bike. They just shake their heads. No B.S.
Its the ability to quickly use counter steering competently and quickly that saves you on obstacle avoidence and also makes that bike flip from side to side in a repeating set of S bends ...
Jules
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RE: As soon as I can ride again ...
Here's how I mount my camera (My bike and car looking at its best with a nice clean wash) . I really don't like it in this position though. It gives a false perspective of distance and it doesn't capture everything I'd like it too. I'm considering an alternative to this, which would be a helmet cam. Possibly the next best thing to do.