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Nov 25, 2009 | 04:10 PM

#31

hawkwind

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From: UK

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Originally Posted by bambam

Hawk, what is a kipper? is this a four paper joint of somesort of bong hit? thot is was funny just had to ask.

It's an 'in' joke BamBam

Nov 25, 2009 | 05:51 PM

#32

deadfred

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From: Riverside, CA

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Originally Posted by chainstretcher

Actually had a member here (former now) quoting stats that more riders are hurt/killed on 600's or smaller than on bigger bores. I didn't argue with him, just banned him because he was blatantly advising newbs to get the biggest thing they could. To me that is unwise advice and if only 1 person gets hurt or killed by that awful advice then it is too many.

I don't believe you are trolling or advocating anything in particular. Seems more like you are proud that you made it and "beat the odds". Truth is the numbers actually back the argument that <600's have more injuries/fatalities.
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This contradicts what I was taught at the MSF. They told me that 9 / 10 accidents on the road are harleys. I would think just about every harley out there today is above 600cc.

Nov 26, 2009 | 07:43 AM

#33

Elfling

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From: Clearwater, FL

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Originally Posted by deadfred

This contradicts what I was taught at the MSF. They told me that 9 / 10 accidents on the road are harleys. I would think just about every harley out there today is above 600cc.

Has a lot less to do with size and a lot more to do with the fact that harleys outnumber sportbikes in most areas, I would imagine.

Nov 26, 2009 | 07:46 AM

#34

Elfling

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From: Clearwater, FL

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Originally Posted by Kuroshio

Um... would you hate me if I said both courses? The Basic Rider and Experienced Rider courses are both free, regardless of how many times you take them. Girl in the BRC was on her 6th attempt

God, you suck

The MSF was 225 down here. Advanced Rider Course is less expensive but still 75.

Nov 26, 2009 | 10:05 AM

#35

kilgoretrout

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From: PA, USA

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Originally Posted by Elfling

God, you suck

The MSF was 225 down here. Advanced Rider Course is less expensive but still 75.

Interesting. I'm from PA like Kuro is, so I just assumed it was free (or super cheap) everywhere.

Nov 26, 2009 | 11:28 AM

#36

Fearless4x4

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From: Phoenix, AZ

ya its $285 here in AZ for beginners course. not sure about the advanced one though. anybody know why there is a major price difference between states???

Nov 26, 2009 | 11:43 AM

#37

Kuroshio

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From: West Philly, PA!

Depends on state sponsorship I think. PA apparently has a very active motorcycle lobby. Think someone big in the DMV rides. They pushed for the state picking up the MSF bill, legalizing LED lights for visibility, stoplight 'malfunction' (yeah we can bust the traffic controlled lights

) and other things

Nov 26, 2009 | 11:53 AM

#38

chainstretcher

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From: Conyers, GA

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Originally Posted by deadfred

This contradicts what I was taught at the MSF. They told me that 9 / 10 accidents on the road are harleys. I would think just about every harley out there today is above 600cc.

Hard to find stats, but that does not sound right. Full coverage on a new $15K night rod is $600/year. For my old '04 1kRR it was over $1200.

Nov 26, 2009 | 12:50 PM

#39

Kuroshio

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From: West Philly, PA!

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Originally Posted by chainstretcher

Hard to find stats, but that does not sound right. Full coverage on a new $15K night rod is $600/year. For my old '04 1kRR it was over $1200.

I think it's a case of someone pulling the stat they want from a mess of confusing stats.

The largest number of motorcycle fatalities (41%) is still in the 501-1,000 cc engine size group, followed by 38 percent in the 1,001-1,500 cc engine size group.

You can infer from the % amounts that leaves the < 500 cc at 21% but its not explicitly stated. The stat is also skewed because it lumps 600cc and 1000cc bikes in the same category. And of course the entire study is skewed by popularity and price point.