I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders
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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders
bummer dude, used bikes are just like used cars, some good some bad.
had the used bike been in perfect condition you would be happy with your purchase.
and if that same used bike was involved in mild drop or more severe accident.....again you'd be happy you purchased it vs a newer mexpensive bike.
i boughta 04 f4i as my first bike, i loved it, i felt extremely comfortable riding it, i knew becuase of my height and the weight of the bike that i wouldnt have problems keeping it from low speed falls. Some advise on buying smaller bikes for multiple reasons, either way you look at it, a new rider will 90% of the time benefit from buying the used "Starter" bike... me, i was too caught up in the looks of the bike, i knew not to mess with anything over 600cc but still didint like any of the 500cc bikes out there. one week of ownership and about 100 miles i wrecked it.......i figure about 3500 to repair it bacj to normal... ouch.
on the other hand, i suspect my accident was caused by my transmission locking up and dumping me off the bike...it was one of those situations where i was driving in a straight line and then woke up in a ambulance. prior to that i had notieced the bike popping out of gear while cruising. had i bought a new bike, could i have reduced the risk of a bike malfunction casuing an accident? yup! can i blame the bike 100% for my accident? nope! cuz i cant remember. if i had to do it all over again would i buy a new bike? nope, but i sure as hell would of had my used bike checked out thoroughly to ensure it was safe AS WELL AS MECHANICALLY SUITABLE FOR RIDING.
lesson learned.
had the used bike been in perfect condition you would be happy with your purchase.
and if that same used bike was involved in mild drop or more severe accident.....again you'd be happy you purchased it vs a newer mexpensive bike.
i boughta 04 f4i as my first bike, i loved it, i felt extremely comfortable riding it, i knew becuase of my height and the weight of the bike that i wouldnt have problems keeping it from low speed falls. Some advise on buying smaller bikes for multiple reasons, either way you look at it, a new rider will 90% of the time benefit from buying the used "Starter" bike... me, i was too caught up in the looks of the bike, i knew not to mess with anything over 600cc but still didint like any of the 500cc bikes out there. one week of ownership and about 100 miles i wrecked it.......i figure about 3500 to repair it bacj to normal... ouch.
on the other hand, i suspect my accident was caused by my transmission locking up and dumping me off the bike...it was one of those situations where i was driving in a straight line and then woke up in a ambulance. prior to that i had notieced the bike popping out of gear while cruising. had i bought a new bike, could i have reduced the risk of a bike malfunction casuing an accident? yup! can i blame the bike 100% for my accident? nope! cuz i cant remember. if i had to do it all over again would i buy a new bike? nope, but i sure as hell would of had my used bike checked out thoroughly to ensure it was safe AS WELL AS MECHANICALLY SUITABLE FOR RIDING.
lesson learned.
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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders
Who in the hell said new riders 90% on the time dump their bikes?? Where are these figures?? Who or what organization gathered this information. I am never afraid of the truth. I go to websites that have the pics of horrible bike accidents. Everytime I'm on a bike I am fully aware that the bike can drop.
The only point that was brought up that I didn't consider is the insurance for a new bike. But what city you insure the bike is also a factor too. What I pay for insurance here in NYC is probably the same price someone in a hick town would pay for a brand new bike with max coverage.
Even though your not paying attention to the transmission signs was probably why the bike dumped you FAKEMEOUT, if the bike was new you would not have had the amublance ride that day. Truth be told. Many riders start off new and never dump their bikes. Some vets to bikes have fallen more times than they care to remember. Sound more like fate, time, place and chance more than anything else.
The only point that was brought up that I didn't consider is the insurance for a new bike. But what city you insure the bike is also a factor too. What I pay for insurance here in NYC is probably the same price someone in a hick town would pay for a brand new bike with max coverage.
Even though your not paying attention to the transmission signs was probably why the bike dumped you FAKEMEOUT, if the bike was new you would not have had the amublance ride that day. Truth be told. Many riders start off new and never dump their bikes. Some vets to bikes have fallen more times than they care to remember. Sound more like fate, time, place and chance more than anything else.
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Oh yeah, I not drunk. Far from it. Check the person that made the comment about a CBR being a Ferrari and made up stats and figures about newbies dropping bikes before you look at me.
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i stated 90% of new riders could benefit from a "starter bike" not 90% of riders drop their bike.
i say 90% because there are so many different benefits from starting out on a cheaper "starter bike" not just the cost involved in repairing one if dropped......although that is certainly a benefit monatarily speaking, i think "Starter" bikes are recommended for "safety" moreso than "overall cost"
you have expereince the negatives of a used bike, not the positives of learning on a more foregiveing bike. i on the other hand experienced (potentially)both negatives.
sorry for your misunderstanding
its hard to say what caused my accident, i will let my ego take full responsibility for not riding to the fullest capabilites....i.e. beeing new, not taking the motorcycle safety class, and anyother precautions i ay have missed due to lack of expereince. but there is always that slight chance that the bike malfunctioned.....who knows...
i say 90% because there are so many different benefits from starting out on a cheaper "starter bike" not just the cost involved in repairing one if dropped......although that is certainly a benefit monatarily speaking, i think "Starter" bikes are recommended for "safety" moreso than "overall cost"
you have expereince the negatives of a used bike, not the positives of learning on a more foregiveing bike. i on the other hand experienced (potentially)both negatives.
sorry for your misunderstanding
its hard to say what caused my accident, i will let my ego take full responsibility for not riding to the fullest capabilites....i.e. beeing new, not taking the motorcycle safety class, and anyother precautions i ay have missed due to lack of expereince. but there is always that slight chance that the bike malfunctioned.....who knows...
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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders
ORIGINAL: fakemeoutrepsol
i stated 90% of new riders could benefit from a "starter bike" not 90% of riders drop their bike.
i say 90% because there are so many different benefits from starting out on a cheaper "starter bike" not just the cost involved in repairing one if dropped......although that is certainly a benefit monatarily speaking, i think "Starter" bikes are recommended for "safety" moreso than "overall cost"
you have expereince the negatives of a used bike, not the positives of learning on a more foregiveing bike. i on the other hand experienced (potentially)both negatives.
sorry for your misunderstanding
its hard to say what caused my accident, i will let my ego take full responsibility for not riding to the fullest capabilites....i.e. beeing new, not taking the motorcycle safety class, and anyother precautions i ay have missed due to lack of expereince. but there is always that slight chance that the bike malfunctioned.....who knows...
i stated 90% of new riders could benefit from a "starter bike" not 90% of riders drop their bike.
i say 90% because there are so many different benefits from starting out on a cheaper "starter bike" not just the cost involved in repairing one if dropped......although that is certainly a benefit monatarily speaking, i think "Starter" bikes are recommended for "safety" moreso than "overall cost"
you have expereince the negatives of a used bike, not the positives of learning on a more foregiveing bike. i on the other hand experienced (potentially)both negatives.
sorry for your misunderstanding
its hard to say what caused my accident, i will let my ego take full responsibility for not riding to the fullest capabilites....i.e. beeing new, not taking the motorcycle safety class, and anyother precautions i ay have missed due to lack of expereince. but there is always that slight chance that the bike malfunctioned.....who knows...
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Yer drunk
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niice, i hate when people missuse "your" or "you're" and especially when prefacing the word "drunk" whereas "yer" would be the correct conjugation. you get a gold star!
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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders
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Sorry if I sounded like I was attacking you. I never want anyone to fall off their bike. Because you shared that problem with your bike that may happen to mine one day. I will always remember this because I don't want it happening to me. I'm saying this and leaving the whole thing alone. New riders should have a few lessons on a smaller bike and finish with the bike they WANT to ride. Thats my opinon and I am agruing no more. FAKE, may you never fall again and have a long life enjoying what I have come to love RIDING BIKES!!!!
ORIGINAL: fakemeoutrepsol
i stated 90% of new riders could benefit from a "starter bike" not 90% of riders drop their bike.
i say 90% because there are so many different benefits from starting out on a cheaper "starter bike" not just the cost involved in repairing one if dropped......although that is certainly a benefit monatarily speaking, i think "Starter" bikes are recommended for "safety" moreso than "overall cost"
you have expereince the negatives of a used bike, not the positives of learning on a more foregiveing bike. i on the other hand experienced (potentially)both negatives.
sorry for your misunderstanding
its hard to say what caused my accident, i will let my ego take full responsibility for not riding to the fullest capabilites....i.e. beeing new, not taking the motorcycle safety class, and anyother precautions i ay have missed due to lack of expereince. but there is always that slight chance that the bike malfunctioned.....who knows...
i stated 90% of new riders could benefit from a "starter bike" not 90% of riders drop their bike.
i say 90% because there are so many different benefits from starting out on a cheaper "starter bike" not just the cost involved in repairing one if dropped......although that is certainly a benefit monatarily speaking, i think "Starter" bikes are recommended for "safety" moreso than "overall cost"
you have expereince the negatives of a used bike, not the positives of learning on a more foregiveing bike. i on the other hand experienced (potentially)both negatives.
sorry for your misunderstanding
its hard to say what caused my accident, i will let my ego take full responsibility for not riding to the fullest capabilites....i.e. beeing new, not taking the motorcycle safety class, and anyother precautions i ay have missed due to lack of expereince. but there is always that slight chance that the bike malfunctioned.....who knows...
i had second thought of riding again, but waht the #$^& . to quote Alfred from"Batman Begins" "why do we fall?.......so we can pick ourselves back up"well there is no good reason to ride again other than the fact that i wanna (*^%ing ride again!
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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders
Hmmmm ok let me put my 2cents in on this one. There are valid points in most of these posts...other than the "Yer Drunk" one, we'll put that out as just another member not having anything valid to say! lol
The point here is if you feel the need and can afford the cash then so be it...buy new. BUT understand that a high percentage of "Sportbike" riders DO crash their bikes. Ask yourself...what do you want to do on your bike....? Do you want to simply cruise and be on a sportbike? Or do you want to stunt and pull wheelies and do stoppies and go FAST and drag your knee? If that is what your after....I will put safe money on the fact you will eventually drop the bike the more you push it and push yourself. That my friend is a fact of life....and I don't know about you, but I would rather drop a used less expensive bike than a new shiny bike! I myself don't have the extra cash to just toss away.
I commend you on taking the course and learning to safely ride your bike! And whether you choose to stunt or cruise as long as you play it safe you will be ok and things will be ok. I am sorry to hear your bike died.....we will talk about that in a minute. As for used bikes though, I have purchased MANY over the years. Most were what I paid for.....if there was a problem I had to fix the problem and believe it or not most problems were easily fixed when you know what to look for.
NO one on here is attacking you....you had frustration when you wrote your first note and some of these replies are based on members frustration as they may have felt you were attacking them. You are right, you didn't single out anyone or any topic you actually singled out the entire forum! But we are mostly mature members and can let it roll of our backs and understand your a new rider with your bike down. I would be upset if mine was out of commision and I couldn't ride. I live in Maine and we get even fewer months than you do in NY. So it's all good....
As for the bike....a few ideas. Do you have a friend with a truck you can pay $20 bucks to bring your bike to the shop? Or even in that BIG town find someone a stranger with a truck and offer 20 or 30 bucks to help you out.....you would be amazed at what people will do for money. But before you take the bike check a few things. You said it runs and dies when the RPM's get low....I am assuming it's carbed being that it is an older bike so check the idle. Thats the easiest thing first. Then if that doesn't work runs some carb cleaner(available at any VIP or Advanced auto or NAPA) and keep that throttle cranked so the bike runs and let the cleaner go through. If that doesn't work and feel mechanical, pull the carbs. It really sounds like it is starving or not getting enough gas. There are things you can check before you spend the cash your talking about....Take some time it wont take long....you obviously have a PC, you can look up any questions you need online. And believe it or not the members here can probably walk you through anything from troubleshooting to full repiars! I wish you the best of luck man! Keep us posted!
The point here is if you feel the need and can afford the cash then so be it...buy new. BUT understand that a high percentage of "Sportbike" riders DO crash their bikes. Ask yourself...what do you want to do on your bike....? Do you want to simply cruise and be on a sportbike? Or do you want to stunt and pull wheelies and do stoppies and go FAST and drag your knee? If that is what your after....I will put safe money on the fact you will eventually drop the bike the more you push it and push yourself. That my friend is a fact of life....and I don't know about you, but I would rather drop a used less expensive bike than a new shiny bike! I myself don't have the extra cash to just toss away.
I commend you on taking the course and learning to safely ride your bike! And whether you choose to stunt or cruise as long as you play it safe you will be ok and things will be ok. I am sorry to hear your bike died.....we will talk about that in a minute. As for used bikes though, I have purchased MANY over the years. Most were what I paid for.....if there was a problem I had to fix the problem and believe it or not most problems were easily fixed when you know what to look for.
NO one on here is attacking you....you had frustration when you wrote your first note and some of these replies are based on members frustration as they may have felt you were attacking them. You are right, you didn't single out anyone or any topic you actually singled out the entire forum! But we are mostly mature members and can let it roll of our backs and understand your a new rider with your bike down. I would be upset if mine was out of commision and I couldn't ride. I live in Maine and we get even fewer months than you do in NY. So it's all good....
As for the bike....a few ideas. Do you have a friend with a truck you can pay $20 bucks to bring your bike to the shop? Or even in that BIG town find someone a stranger with a truck and offer 20 or 30 bucks to help you out.....you would be amazed at what people will do for money. But before you take the bike check a few things. You said it runs and dies when the RPM's get low....I am assuming it's carbed being that it is an older bike so check the idle. Thats the easiest thing first. Then if that doesn't work runs some carb cleaner(available at any VIP or Advanced auto or NAPA) and keep that throttle cranked so the bike runs and let the cleaner go through. If that doesn't work and feel mechanical, pull the carbs. It really sounds like it is starving or not getting enough gas. There are things you can check before you spend the cash your talking about....Take some time it wont take long....you obviously have a PC, you can look up any questions you need online. And believe it or not the members here can probably walk you through anything from troubleshooting to full repiars! I wish you the best of luck man! Keep us posted!
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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders
ORIGINAL: Musichyp
Hmmmm ok let me put my 2cents in on this one. There are valid points in most of these posts...other than the "Yer Drunk" one, we'll put that out as just another member not having anything valid to say! lol
Hmmmm ok let me put my 2cents in on this one. There are valid points in most of these posts...other than the "Yer Drunk" one, we'll put that out as just another member not having anything valid to say! lol
just kidding, Please don't lock me out!
Keep us posted, we don't want this thread left unresolved.
On a serious note, wehope you get it running soon and start enjoy riding.
PS: I LOVE the tella tubbies!! <--- ha ha ya got me Musichyp
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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders
im sorry...but i 100% disagree w/ wat ur saying...i did just wat u recommend...bought a brand new 06 f4i last year...my first bike...then, being a new rider...i did wat almost all new riders do...went down/dropped it a couple of times...learned my lesson(s)...but now i have a bike which i still owe ~$8k on and is so scratched up its prob worth ALOT less than that, even tho it only has 2700 mi on it...so i would completely reccomend buying a used bike, so that way it is 100% yours when u hop on it...i have had nothing but love for starting on a 600...and honestly think i would get bored w/ a 250...so my recommendation is to start on a lightly used 600...and always make sure the person has maintenence records or u completely trust them...and get a mechanic to check it out before u buy