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Old Apr 20, 2023 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by dannoxyz
Again, skipping ok many steps.

Do you get 3-sec fuel-pump prime when you turn ON kill-switch?


BTW - what is history of this bike? When was last time it worked perfectly? What happened between then and now?
I bought it from a guy from MI about 2months ago an when I bought it he said it ran last yr but he was unable to get it to start.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2023 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by dannoxyz
Again, skipping too many steps.

Do you get 3-sec fuel-pump prime when you turn ON kill-switch?


BTW - what is history of this bike? When was last time it worked perfectly? What happened between then and now?
An what steps have I missed? That i am unaware of i am not a motorcycle mechanic an i hate electrical issues as well
 
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Old Apr 20, 2023 | 10:13 AM
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Unfortunately, we have no idea what guy did to bike.

Do you get 3-sec fuel-pump prime when key ON and kill-switch RUN?
 
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Old Apr 20, 2023 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by dannoxyz
Unfortunately, we have no idea what guy did to bike.

Do you get 3-sec fuel-pump prime when key ON and kill-switch RUN?
Nope not a clue what he has done to it.

No? Does that effect the spark?
 
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Old Apr 20, 2023 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Micro600
I've never checked to see? Is that something that will cause the spark issue?
Perhaps. Coils are not powered by EFI system. So they can have power but EFI not necessary working. Do real test for spark:

- remove coil
- insert spare plug
- ground case of plug one engine (or with jumper-cable to batt -neg)
- crank engine

Do you see thick white/blue spark jump plug?
 
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Old Apr 20, 2023 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by dannoxyz
Perhaps. Coils are not powered by EFI system. So they can have power but EFI not necessary working. Do real test for spark:

- remove coil
- insert spare plug
- ground case of plug one engine (or with jumper-cable to batt -neg)
- crank engine

Do you see thick white/blue spark jump plug?
I did this prior to replacement of the coils with no spark results as well i done same test after the replacement of the coils as well with zero results
 
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Old Apr 20, 2023 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Micro600
Nope not a clue what he has done to it.

No? Does that effect the spark?
Yes, means something wrong with engine-stop relay and/or fuel-pump relay. That's next stage after fusebox. Do not skip over this stage because NOTHING will work if you don't have fuel-pump prime.

Pull out fuse/relay box so we can probe wires underneath.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2023 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by dannoxyz
Yes, means something wrong with engine-stop relay and/or fuel-pump relay. That's next stage after fusebox. Do not skip over this stage because NOTHING will work if you don't have fuel-pump prime.

Pull out fuse/relay box so we can probe wires underneath.
I didn't skip the relays 🤦🏻 I noted that in a earlier reply that i had swapped my relays an inspected my fuses prior to moving to tracing wires up to the ecu looking for a rubbed raw wire with no results but ill pull it back out an await further information
 
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Old Apr 20, 2023 | 10:37 AM
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This is where having official Honda manual is handy.



8. measure voltage on engine-stop relay power-input red wire. volts = ???
9. key ON, kill-switch RUN, measure voltage on engine-stop relay activation-coil power blk wire. volts = ???
10. measure voltage on engine-stop relay power-output blk/wht wire. volts = ???
11. measure resistance to chassis-ground of engine-stop relay activation-coil red/blu ground wire. ohms = ???

12. measure voltage on fuel-pump relay's power-input and activation-coil power blk/wht wires, volts x2 = ???
13. kill-switch OFF, measure voltage on fuel-pump relay's power-output brn wire, kill-switch ON, volts = ??? for 3-seconds
14. kill-switch OFF, measure resistance to chassis-ground of fuel-pump relay's activation-coil ground brn/blk wire. kill=switch ON, ohms = ??? for 3-seconds

15. disconnect fuel-pump connector
16. kill-switch OFF, measure voltage on fuel-pump connector's power-output brn wire, kill-switch ON, volts = ??? for 3-seconds

test fuel-pump (tiny insulated aligator-clips will work)
17. by carefully applying ground to pump's terminal where grn wire connects
18. carefully apply +12v to pump's terminal where power-input brn wire connects

Something is not correct at this stage. Once we identify and fix it, bike will run!
 

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Old Apr 20, 2023 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Micro600
I did this prior to replacement of the coils with no spark results as well i done same test after the replacement of the coils as well with zero results
Every component has a numeric or functional test to verify it's good or bad. Only with positive confirmation one way or other via testing in isolation can you know for sure. Without confirmation that they're bad, replacing changes nothing and accomplishes nothing. Here's how to test coils manually:

1. remove coil from bike
2. insert plug into coil
3. using small jumper connect battery +12v to one terminal of coil
4. attach small jumper to other terminal of coil
5. with free-end of 2nd jumper, repeatedly tap it to battery -neg

Do you see thick white/blue spark jump plug?


As always, verify upstream components haven't failed you. In this case, ECU's not sending grounding-pulses to coil to trigger them. Can confirm several ways:

<b>Solenoid light</b> Solenoid light
connected to coil-terminals will blink when it detects firing-pulses from ECU. Dimming test-light isn't indicator of anything except that battery-voltage drops when cranking. You can verify this by measuring actual voltage of battery.

Oscilloscope
will also show ECU ground-pulses to fire coil. Will look like this on 'scope.


In this case 'scope will show flat-line of battery-voltage at coil-connector. Absence of ECU pulses DOES NOT mean ECU is bad, just that upstream signal to coil isn't getting there. So again requires investigating upstream and figuring out why ECU's not firing perfectly good coils. It is most likely bad wiring or corroded connectors to sensors, safety interloc-switches, even power & ground wires to ECU have been issue. So each of these upstream possibilities needs to be tested and measured to determine if they're good or bad.
 

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