shop says new engine, i say no. hi-def pics fyi
funny thing, is that other than scoring the cyl walls, there is nothing you're going to see from these views- What looks like scoring in the top pic also just looks like a reflection-
from the pics, I would laugh at them and tell them I was on my way to look in person. other than some build up in the combustion chamber these pics don't show squat-
Now, turn the head over and pull a cam if it's not welded into it, and show that- show some bad bearings, show something!
Sucks any way you look at it though….
from the pics, I would laugh at them and tell them I was on my way to look in person. other than some build up in the combustion chamber these pics don't show squat-
Now, turn the head over and pull a cam if it's not welded into it, and show that- show some bad bearings, show something!
Sucks any way you look at it though….
Then again.... the shop also said it was the bottom end?
You can't see any of that, either. lol...
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From what I see here, I'd put it back together and go riding. I would think you'd need to check the cam bearings (easy enough to do since you've got the head off already) and main bearings. If they look good, put it together and ride. There is nothing wrong with what you're showing in the photos. Nice images by the way.
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Pictures aren't going to show anything. If you ran it without oil for any length of time, the engine will be trashed. These engines are extremely precise on their tolerances.The pictures aren't goin to show if your cylinders are out of round by a few thousands of an inch. Heck, they could be out 40 thousands and your not going to see it in a picture. Quite a few high performance motorcycles have sleaves that are not able to be bored due to the coatings they have on them. That means, if your cylinders are out of round, (highly likely without oil), you will have to resleave the engine. the cylinder head surely would have suffered since there aren't any bearings, its just the cam on the bare aluminum cylinder head. the main bearings would have probably spun without oil as well. If all of these things happened, and its highly likely they did, the shop is probably not lying to you. Since the engine started to make noise, its more than likely too late. Personally, I'd cut my losses and not even mess with the engine.
As for the price. yeah, its outrageous. But, if you look at it from their standpoint. You brought the bike in and said fix the engine. Thats the quote they gave you. Trust me, it will cost that much to fix it. They will have to get all new parts from Honda direct. Your probably looking at 5-6 grand in parts alone. Given the history of the engine, they would want to replace anything that could have suffered to cover their liability. It doesn't make sense to replace all of those parts when a used engine is available. But since you asked for your engine to be fixed, thats what they offered.
As for the price. yeah, its outrageous. But, if you look at it from their standpoint. You brought the bike in and said fix the engine. Thats the quote they gave you. Trust me, it will cost that much to fix it. They will have to get all new parts from Honda direct. Your probably looking at 5-6 grand in parts alone. Given the history of the engine, they would want to replace anything that could have suffered to cover their liability. It doesn't make sense to replace all of those parts when a used engine is available. But since you asked for your engine to be fixed, thats what they offered.
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That's the biggie. According to his original post he checked the oil level when he bought it. Then approximately 1600 miles later when it started "clanking" round 4k rpm. I'm betting he rode a significant time without oil though because of something he posted in his thread.
The "light" is the oil pressure indicator I believe. I'm betting the engine is shot too. Too many warnings from it, with the clank being the engine's last resort before going nuclear through the saddle.
saw the level when i first bought it. was good. the light would come on when i turn the key and have it running in nuetrual. after i put it in first it goes away, when the problem accured the light would flash on and off one or twice in awhile while riding it. I was told there was black smoke when i would really get on it at high rpms. idk either why the level would just get that low. bike ran fine when i got it. put 1600 miles on it before having this problem. taking it in today tho.
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well im not in anyway shape or form a mechanic.
i was thinking the pics where the problem, and that i thought one of the pics where the valves lol.
yea i agree, they where gonna basicly buy all new parts to put together a new engine. plus service.
wasnt meaning to give the shop crap.
also i was gonna use this engine as more of a learning tool, im gonna get into the bottom end and take a look. got the service manual so itll be a interesting experience.
then maybe a cool coffee table
also i appreciate all the help guys.
i was thinking the pics where the problem, and that i thought one of the pics where the valves lol.
yea i agree, they where gonna basicly buy all new parts to put together a new engine. plus service.
wasnt meaning to give the shop crap.
also i was gonna use this engine as more of a learning tool, im gonna get into the bottom end and take a look. got the service manual so itll be a interesting experience.
then maybe a cool coffee table
also i appreciate all the help guys.
Last edited by alex59195; Aug 9, 2011 at 09:03 PM.
^^^I like it. ^^^
I'd be interested to see the cams and buckets, tho, as well as the rod bearings. You may only see it in the numbers, but it's always fun to see splinters and/or scoring if it's there.
yeah- Like these!!! For Gods sake man, it cost you enough- You might as well share some more ics for us all to check out!!
Exciter, who will likely be making a couple coffee tables himself.
Oh, and trust me- this is EXACTLY how they came out. no ****! Still cant believe how well it ran…...
Exciter, who will likely be making a couple coffee tables himself.
Oh, and trust me- this is EXACTLY how they came out. no ****! Still cant believe how well it ran…...
^^ Yep, that's a fine set of bearings. lol..
I like when one half is paper thin and razor sharp like that..... or when one half slides under the other half. That's a good burn.
Which reminds me... OP, make sure you look under the caps real good before sticking your hand in there. You don't want bloody oil everywhere.
I like when one half is paper thin and razor sharp like that..... or when one half slides under the other half. That's a good burn.
Which reminds me... OP, make sure you look under the caps real good before sticking your hand in there. You don't want bloody oil everywhere.