Keyless Ignition
 

1999 CBR600F4

Ok, So Im planning on doing a keyless ignition since I've had a recent accident, well I snapped my key off inside of it. :icon_slap2: Well money is a bit tight for me right now, So I figure I'll wire up a keyless ignition until I can replace it with a keyed one. Now I know there is the whole theft issue and this is what I figure, I know I can wire a kill switch using the kickstand and run it back underneath my passenger seat. I also plan on wiring the ignition switch back there as well Still thinking up ideas on accessing the area under the seat. Maybe an electric trunk release that is key fob activated? Not sure yet. That will come.

Ok so that everyone is on the same page here are the wiring diagrams I am using.http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...n/IMAG0669.jpg
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Now here is a wiring harness I was able to get from my friend off of his totaled F4. This is all I have from the ignition and I don't want to bust open mine just yet.

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Now this is the other side I flipped it so the wires are in the same spot in the photo.
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Now that we are all on the same page, here we go.

Red wire comes directly from the main fuse (30A) /starter relay
Red /Black wire goes to three Fuses (10A) that power the headlight, ignition, starter, Fuel Solenoid, and finally the remaining lights /horn.
Blue /Pink wire goes to the fourth fuse (10A) and it powers the fan
Pink wire is the wire that has that special diode attached to it. It connects to a yellow /red wire that sends a signal to the ICM
Diode Steps the signal down from 12v to 9v; attaches to the Pink wire.

Phew ok. Now would I be able to take a switch that had a on /off capability much like this one:
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Attach the Red /Blk, Blu /Pnk and Pnk wires to the on (Positive) side and the Red wire to the off (Negative) side. Flip the switch and start the bike like that?

Thanks guys and I am serious about this so please don't just blow it off.

I floated the leads off of the plastic and I'm gonna try and see if it will work. Another idea I had was instead of a secondary kill switch attached to the kickstand I would attach that to the pink wire, as to prevent the bike being started up all together Or I remember reading somewhere, I think it was on this forum, that I could use a usb that I gutted and use that to complete the circuit.

Hopefully the ignition switch wont be too difficult.

yea i think that would work just fine, your just bypassing the key switch with a on/off flip switch. kinda like hotwiring your bike loool. you could take those wires and connect them to test it out, then make the final changes.

I wired a push-button start in my old miata. I'll do a little digging to see what I did with that. It should be a lot simpler on the bike, as there is no "crank" on the ignition switch.

The only thing that I would say is use a relay. I don't know that a simple 2-way toggle switch can hold the amps going through it.

the diode must be installed on the pink wire to step down the voltage or it wont start. armyjeff is right, make sure you get a toggle switch that can handle the amps or use the switch to activate a relay, or two, and power it up that way.

demon

@CJardine - I think you're getting a good handle on it.

74Demon is absolutely correct about the diode & pink wire.

Sweet thanks guys. And I have the diode as well. I was really tired when I brought up the secondary killswitch, what I was thinking of doing is either wiring another switch to break the kickstands circuit. Or doing the same thing with the pink wire either with a switch or a gutted usb drive. I'm getting a 30a switch today from radio shack or autozone so I'll report back.

Went to Radioshack today, they only had switches that went up to 20A think that will be fine till I can find a 30A one? I have a few relays rated to 30A but Im savin them for something truly awesome. If the switch doesn't work I will move to a 30A switch, if still having trouble than I will move to relays.

Id put in a relay to be safe. A standard 4 pin relay will work great.

grumble grumble. Ok I'll do it right. BUT!! If it works I'm blaming you:icon_rolleyes:

Yes you can use a USB port and thumb drive that you guy out and make into a circuit, I think it's one of the best ways to do this since nobody really uses it, and there's a few options for the pins, plus nobody expects it since it's not too popular yet. I would just put a button on along with the USB.

has anyone tried a proximity ignition? such as they use on some luxury cars?

i.e. Lexus' key fob only has to be on someone in the vehicle to start the car with the push button. If they are not in the car it does not start. Could this be incorporated to say a 1 foot radius from underneath the seat perhaps?

Yeah, but at that point it would be more expensive than getting a new key. It would be a big pain in the butt...but you could do it. Easiest way to do it would be modify a cheap remote ignition, just modify it to always have the start function running, so when you get in range of it and press a switch to open the ignition switch it would start the bike...don't know how you could modify the range, but the cheap ones have crappy range anyways.

yep might do that next got a wiring diagram already and I think it should only cost about $20 give or take a few. I was thinking a write up after I got it working first step was needing a reason to actually do it. Snapped my key and now I have a reason.

So this is what I was thinking for the ignition switch, before I go through with it, just wanted a sanity check that it makes sense.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...n/IMAG0676.jpg

im considering going the keyless route too but i plan on using an rfid setup for security reasons.
RFID Wireless Ignition How-To 05 B12 - Custom Fighters - Custom Streetfighter Motorcycle Forum

Hey boxdgm gotcbr directed me to some good info. And I have a really good wiring diagram on how to do the rfid ignition. It's a lot clearer than the cf thread and I'm trying to make it plug into the wiring harness in place of the key ignition.

I more or less posted it for the parts list which you already have most of and it has links to the rfid stuff you would need should you choose to try it out. I have an 89 f1 so it would probably be much easier to wire up on my bike but you should definetely make a write up no matter what way you end up doing. I just don't like the idea of a toggle switch stopping someone form stealing my bike.

its not a permanent solution, I just had the stuff on hand an only had to pick up a switch. I will deff do a write-up, just need to actually do it.

The end result Im looking for (now that its cheaper to do that than buy a new ignition)
P1102332 - YouTube

That's really cool actually, I might have to think about doing that someday!

Oh yea and if you want to do that proximity ignition here you go . Do people want me to do a write-up of the RFID ignition or manual switch or both? I don't have the materials to do the proximity stuff but maybe someday. I can however get a wiring diagram on how to do it.

Hands_Free_Ignition.wmv - YouTube

Alright so until I can do a full fledged write-up here is my wiring diagram. I have not soldered everything up yet so I cannot fisically tested this, and remember if you do try this . . . and break something on your bike; don't come running back here and blaming me. You can tell me I am wrong but don't expect any money moving your way. With that said I should be able to get everything set up next weekend so I will report back.

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Hey CJ did you ever do up a How to on this? I'm interested in getting rid of my Ignition for the race bike and have never done it before.

Cheers,
Sean

Yea I did and it works great. Working on the rfid chip right.

Cool, wheres the How to write up? I can't find it as I am going to do the same soon and I want to see how you did it.

S

Red wire comes directly from the main fuse (30A) /starter relay
Red /Black wire goes to three Fuses (10A) that power the headlight, ignition, starter, Fuel Solenoid, and finally the remaining lights /horn.
Blue /Pink wire goes to the fourth fuse (10A) and it powers the fan
Pink wire is the wire that has that special diode attached to it. It connects to a yellow /red wire that sends a signal to the ICM
Diode Steps the signal down from 12v to 9v; attaches to the Pink wire.



Attach the Red /Blk, Blu /Pnk and Pnk wires to the on (Positive) side and the Red wire to the off (Negative) side. Flip the switch and start the bike like that?


Im currently going thru some issues. Did this work???

Remote start with no kill switch
 

Hi all .
im trying to put a remote start on my bike and I’ve hit a hurdle.... I’ve only got a cbr125 and they haven’t got a kill switch .
What else could I wire up the anti-theft engine cut out too ?
Any other advice would be much appreciated

Fuel pump wire or ignition signal wire. Either one of those will kill the bike.