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Look at this guy...

http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/mcy/2327392613.html
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2006-...item2eb49be6e5

Just sold the bike to him around 8:30 Friday morning and he immediately puts it back up for sale. Asking for a decently more, and quite outlandish, price considering the bike itself.

I'm not against anyone making a buck but don't come to me with some lie and asking me not to put your name on the title. Just tell the truth and at least I know the kind of person I'm selling my bike to. Stupid me for being naive enough to leave the title blank. At least he had to drive all the way from Jacksonville and spend Thursday night at some hotel just to get it.

I phoned him and called him out on the listings. Another lie about how he really wants to keep it and the price will deter interest. Well, ok buddy, you can keep it. I'll just file the Notice of Sale with your name and information on it including the bill of sale on Monday when the Tax Collector offices open. And that got him stuttering a bit...

Whatever, live and learn.

ha! What an a hole that guy. At least you got what you were asking and what was comfortable for YOU.

Weird, why wouldn't he just tell you he intended to resell it? I am sure you wouldn't have cared as long as he was giving you a fair price... when I bought my bike I told the guy straight up I planned to stick a bit of time and money into it and sell it. He was excited and told me to keep him posted on my progress with picture and stories and such.

The guy is obviously a tool, don't waste your time worrying about him, just forget it and save yourself the stress!

Yeah unfortunately theres some people out there like that. More than their should be. But yeah i dont get why he wouldnt just tell you he planned on selling it what does that matter to you as long as you get the amount you wanted for it. Unless he made up some lie to try and help talk the price down.

p.s. That corbin seat on there looks way better than the stock nanner seat. looks really comfortable too.

Looks like he has it listed for $5,300. How much did he pay for it?

looks like ur not the only one he got.. check out his other items..

emaimo929 | eBay

Hmph...

I paid $4500 for mine, stock, with 2.5k miles. Flipping something is fine in my book. But the title thing is something I'd be pissed about. Right now, legally, heyitsmelam is still legally responsible for the bike. If someone takes it off his hands, doesn't register it and runs over a kid the cops will be at his door. Obviously he can prove he had nothing to do with it. But it's still a hassle.

^^^ precisely. i'm liable for this douche's inconsiderations.

he's all like "well you have 30 days before you have to notify them. why don't you let me decide if i want title it under my name or my company before you notify them"

uh...sure dude. of course I will. tax collector will be notified of the sale. Eric Maimo, $4,100.

I was nice enough to consider putting a far less price on the title to help him save some tax money but oh well. let him explain why he's trying to register something for a different name and price than what the seller originally put on the notice.

also...my exact, and might I add, immature, plans are as follows:

1) Notice of Sale to tax collector first thing Monday morning.
2) Recreate craigslist ad with cheaper asking price
3) flag his original post

that's it for now i think. i highly doubt my individual flagging will make a difference. oh well.

also, only an idiot would pay so much for this F4i. nothing wrong with the bike, but the asking is insane. its worth $4k tops, maybe my original price of $4.5. dealers would ask for $4.5. and only an idiot would think to try to flip a bike he paid $4.1 for, after driving 8 hours round-trip, spending a night at some motel/hotel for maybe $4.5.

it makes no sense whatsoever and in turn makes me even more pissed that he's trying to pull this off with my bike!

Are you sure he isn't washing cash through you (and others by the look of things)?

I wouldnt call it immature at all. Id be doing way worse stuff if it was me just to piss the guy off. Id say youre on the right track...tell him to f off and theyll be notified asap. If he wasnt honest from the start and made his intentions clear itd be no big deal but hes obviously a cheat and a scoundrel. Youre totally in the right to make it as difficult as possible for him to pull this off.

tested the cash right in front of him.

Am I missing something? Did you sell it? Do you have a release of liability? Why should anything after that matter to you? He's a capitalist. Are you just sore you didnt ask that much? Who's fault is that? His or yours? Sometimes you need to ignore the emotions that dont matter.

nothing wrong with flipping...maybe thats his hustle to make some side money...who knows, who cares. but i def would not have sold him the bike without officially signing it over to him. oh well, we live and learn

I like the way the ad for the Kawasaki says, "with exhaust!" Man, what an added bonus!

i think some of you guys don't realize what i'm actually concerned about. it's not about the money, because i actually made money off of this transaction.

some need to understand a situation before shooting off at the mouth like they know it all. until the tax collector is notified of the sale, i am the owner of the bike and am liable if anything were to happen with it involved.

like i've posted before, i'm not against making money, just don't like getting lied to. i got what i wanted from it and i've accepted this as a learning experience.

I think the important thing is you, got what you want out of it. It sucks he lied to you, and it seems like you'd be doing basically what I'd be doing, so good luck. Hopefully karma exists and the fu^ker gets his.

I've been lied too while buying a bike before, didn't end up getting the bike, but it felt like crap.

seriously this is the big part.

Say the guy flips it to some squid. McSquid also doesn't register it, goes stunting through a neighborhood and hits a kid. Rather than face his music he ditches and runs since "Hey! The bike isn't in my name". Angry cops show up on heyitsmelam's door demanding to know "WTF?"

Yes, he can prove he no longer owns the bike. He WILL be visiting the station unless he can supply an instantly checkable alibi for the time of the wreck.

^ That statement is incorrect & is a common misconception.

OP, I have some experience w/ this type of situation...

All you need to CYA is a signed Bill of Sale by you & the buyer (a photocopy of the signed title by the new owner helps as well). From your orig post, you have that all important BOS.

While your name will still be in the system as the "owner" until the new owner re-titles & registers it, you are not. You legally relinquished ownership the instant that cash changed hands, the title was signed, & the Bill of Sale was signed.

IF something were to happen that the bike is involved in any type of incident b/f the new owner re-titles/registers/sells the bike....YES, you'll more than likely get a phone call from the investigating officer. Simply tell them that you legally sold the bike & have a signed Bill of Sale to prove it.

It is the responsibility of the buyer to re-title, register, & pay all associated fees. Failure on his part to do this does not relieve him from ownership responsibilities & any/all incidents resulting from misuse of the bike.

While your omissions on the title wasn't a good decision, it doesn't make you guilty of any wrong-doing. However, you should have completely filled it out...for the least of which, is protecting yourself from fraud. If the buyer can't afford tax on the bike, he shouldn't be buying it. Obviously from what you say, his sole intention was to flip the bike w/o having to pay all the associated fees of new ownership. <---This is a no-no in most places these days.

Nevertheless, you've learned a lesson that you obviously already know...& I highly doubt you'll repeat. Who needs the stress right?

From time to time, we get similar threads to yours w/ problematic selling/buying situations. Generally, if at all possible, its a good idea to do the transaction w/ associated documents at your DMV. All can be done in front of a rep, be witnessed, & any problems w/ re-titling & registration can be addressed & resolved from the git-go.

Good luck w/ your situation. Hope it all goes well.

There really isn't any liability exposure for you. Title transfers happen like that all day every day. People trade a car in with a clean title to a dealer, the dealer never puts it in their name and just reassigns the title to the person who eventually buys the car.

Be pissed that the guy lied to you, but don't lose any sleep over anything else. He probably won't get enough to make it worth his time and effort.

oh no, i'm all good about it now.

he's driving the bike out to meet a potential buyer later this week...in orlando.
too bad that buyer won't show up.

Guess I'm used to a different system where I'm guilty until proven innocent with a bank account worth more than $50k :p

HHAHAHAHA!!! Thats pretty awesome..

Hahaha!!!! That's great. I like you.

FWIW, he's not gonna get that price for it.

Haha! That's pretty funny.