Thinking about buying 600rr, but my height....
#41
10-17-2006, 02:04 AM
RE: Thinking about buying 600rr, but my height....
My first bike was an EX500 that was ten years ago. I bought a CBR600RR a couple months ago. Since I have been away from the "sport" I consider this bike to be my first bike. I have done fine on it so far. I am 5'7" and felt more comfortable to lower the bike 1" in the back. Now my feet are perfectly flat footed and I feel in control of my bike. The shop at first recommended that I lower the front one inch as well, but then when they saw me on the bike, they found that I sit perfectly level, and the bike is level too. Our bikes put the driver much forward in position, than most bikes in our class. I swear this is the best mod that I've done for my bike (that and the powercommander). I take the turns just as good, maybe a little better, maybe because I feel more confident with this mod. For those that go to the track and complain that the fairing or foot peg scrapes. Why don't you buy Vortex rear sets, this will raise the pegs an 1" upwards, giving you the clearance that you need. And if you have the chronic whiner that still isn't happy, you can always take off the lowering link and put in your stock link, and get it back to your setup. I say lower it an 1" in the back only!!! YOU WON'T REGRET IT!!!!!
#42
10-17-2006, 12:29 PM
RE: Thinking about buying 600rr, but my height....
HondaCBR600RRhunk...this is three threads that you've posted almost the exact same reply in stating to lower it and it's the best mod ever.
How the heck does being flat footed give you "more control" over the bike...You have the typical mind frame of people who don't know how to ride and look for something mechanical to fix it for them...can't touch flat footed...lower the bike...foot pegs scrape...get different rear sets...got some head shake...get a steering damper...my friends are faster than me...add nitrous and turbo...
Forget about rider improvement...right?
I personally think you're giving out some bad advise and I can see re working the internals of your forks, maybe dropping the front 3mm and adjusting the rear suspension to compensate for the drop, adding Ohlins or Pensky shocks, but to drop it an inch and say it's the best mod ever is appears totally clueless!
I think you made your point clear in another one of your many similar replies...it's all about looking "bitchin" for you...
How the heck does being flat footed give you "more control" over the bike...You have the typical mind frame of people who don't know how to ride and look for something mechanical to fix it for them...can't touch flat footed...lower the bike...foot pegs scrape...get different rear sets...got some head shake...get a steering damper...my friends are faster than me...add nitrous and turbo...
Forget about rider improvement...right?
I personally think you're giving out some bad advise and I can see re working the internals of your forks, maybe dropping the front 3mm and adjusting the rear suspension to compensate for the drop, adding Ohlins or Pensky shocks, but to drop it an inch and say it's the best mod ever is appears totally clueless!
I think you made your point clear in another one of your many similar replies...it's all about looking "bitchin" for you...
#43
10-17-2006, 01:06 PM
RE: Thinking about buying 600rr, but my height....
I'm going to do what hunk did and post about 10 of the same replies:
HondaCBR600RRhunk...I asked a friend of mine...someone who I greatly respect and races professionally and here's what he said:
Read and learn...ok?
HondaCBR600RRhunk...I asked a friend of mine...someone who I greatly respect and races professionally and here's what he said:
It depends... Just the front? Just the rear? both?
1" is pretty dramatic. If you go from either end alone, the geometry will be all screwed up and it will handle poorly. You will either turn in WAY too fast (front dropped) or turn in WAY too slow (rear dropped).
In every instance, you're going to sacrafice ground clearance which is a HUGE deal on the 600rr. If you're commuting and don't really lean that much, you can get by with it without having a problem, but if you're to the edge of your tires right now (or close to it), you will be dragging pegs, plastics and ultimately case covers until you crash.
Additionally, unless you go with an aftermarket shock to lower the rear, you're stuck using 'dog-bones' to lower it. This REALLY screws up the lever ratio of the rear pro-link suspension. The angles on the 'C' piece of the linkage change pretty significantly which affects the pull on the bike, which affects how the rear shock works.
Overall, lowering the bike is a bad idea. Can it be done? Yes. The proper way to do it would be to:
Replace the rear shock with something aftermarket that can be built shorter.
Lower the front end to match the rear.
Use offset triple clamps to correct the new steering angle.
The total cost on all of this would be around $2000 if not a few bucks more because you would need to have some sort of chassis measurement to ensure the front end is setup right.
Can you do it cheap and have it turn out right? Not really. You're going to sacrafice handling, ground clearance and overall stability.
Hope that helps..
1" is pretty dramatic. If you go from either end alone, the geometry will be all screwed up and it will handle poorly. You will either turn in WAY too fast (front dropped) or turn in WAY too slow (rear dropped).
In every instance, you're going to sacrafice ground clearance which is a HUGE deal on the 600rr. If you're commuting and don't really lean that much, you can get by with it without having a problem, but if you're to the edge of your tires right now (or close to it), you will be dragging pegs, plastics and ultimately case covers until you crash.
Additionally, unless you go with an aftermarket shock to lower the rear, you're stuck using 'dog-bones' to lower it. This REALLY screws up the lever ratio of the rear pro-link suspension. The angles on the 'C' piece of the linkage change pretty significantly which affects the pull on the bike, which affects how the rear shock works.
Overall, lowering the bike is a bad idea. Can it be done? Yes. The proper way to do it would be to:
Replace the rear shock with something aftermarket that can be built shorter.
Lower the front end to match the rear.
Use offset triple clamps to correct the new steering angle.
The total cost on all of this would be around $2000 if not a few bucks more because you would need to have some sort of chassis measurement to ensure the front end is setup right.
Can you do it cheap and have it turn out right? Not really. You're going to sacrafice handling, ground clearance and overall stability.
Hope that helps..
#44
10-17-2006, 02:39 PM
RE: Thinking about buying 600rr, but my height....
$2000 for the bike to be lowered right?? What are you smoking? Seriously. I haven't had any issues and many others on here who have lowered their bike haven't had issues. YOU TELL ME TO READ AND LEARN. I tell you to EXPERIENCE IT FIRST HAND, AND LEARN BETTER. Its this type of propaganda that people need to be aware of. It maybe true if your lowering the bike dramatically, but 1" is not going to throw everything off. I read in a cycle mag, that the crew lowered their bike 1" in the back only, and this made the rider have better lap times, yes an improvement. For those wanting to lower your bike 1", go for it. Don't let other members convince you to do the opposite. If they really have to convince you not to do it, then there is a good reason for it, and it may not be in your best interest. Lower your ride a bit, and enjoy. Tell me how things are after you do it. You will love it, and you will notice a positive difference. Honestly.
As for me typing to all those other threads about lowering. Well if you didn't suggest NOT to do it, I wouldn't have to throw in my opinion to do otherwise. There is a reason why your a super member. If you ride more than you are on the computer answering threads, than maybe you would see for yourself what you can learn from riding your bike. Let those that want to lower their bike, to lower it okay bud?! Your discouraging people from doing it, just from what a buddy or two are saying about it. I've been there, and done it, you haven't. So your words are empty. Like I said before do it, and see how good it is. You will notice a better difference all around. If you don't like it, you can always spend another hour and remove it, and put the stocker in. Capeesh?!!
As for me typing to all those other threads about lowering. Well if you didn't suggest NOT to do it, I wouldn't have to throw in my opinion to do otherwise. There is a reason why your a super member. If you ride more than you are on the computer answering threads, than maybe you would see for yourself what you can learn from riding your bike. Let those that want to lower their bike, to lower it okay bud?! Your discouraging people from doing it, just from what a buddy or two are saying about it. I've been there, and done it, you haven't. So your words are empty. Like I said before do it, and see how good it is. You will notice a better difference all around. If you don't like it, you can always spend another hour and remove it, and put the stocker in. Capeesh?!!
#45
10-17-2006, 03:00 PM
RE: Thinking about buying 600rr, but my height....
[quote]ORIGINAL: Fretless33
I'm going to do what hunk did and post about 10 of the same replies:
I'm right there with you buddy, for every 10 negative replies you sent out, I'm there to negate the B.S. that YOU put out.
The members here have their own good personal experiences about lowering their bike. So just let it be, your not going to change anyone's mind, sorry to say.
#46
10-17-2006, 03:56 PM
RE: Thinking about buying 600rr, but my height....
ooohhhh, I wanna post ***** too!!! 
$2k is not outrageous if you're totally revamping your suspension. IMHO, that's the best way to go. Lowering links leave your rear shock in a position it was not designed to be in.
[color=#660099]Okay, I'll give you my FIRSTHAND experience. I lowered my F3 1". It was fine...until I took it to the track. I was scraping fairings in the turns. I ended up going back to stock height and even raising the rear higher than stock. So in my firsthand experience, anybody who tells you they haven't had any issues isn't pushing their bike very hard.
johnny, you can read more about my experience here (I just don't feel like re-typing it):
http://cbrworld.net/forums/thread/248611.aspx
Can you lower it? Yes. The real question is whether or not you should. Only you can answer that. To do such, I think you first need to determine what your ultimate goal is in relation to riding. Are you just going to tool around town with occasional jaunts into the twisties?? Or are you going to be kneedragging on the rumble strips??? I'm not trying to sway you one way or the other. I'm just sharing the experience from someone whose been there and has taken it to a level that most riders with lowered bikes don't go.
In the link above, I discuss my views on various lowering methods. Hopefully, they can help you make an informed decision. You can decide what works for you (and your budget) if you still decide to lower it. Just realize that you don't get something for nothing (as with any mod on these bikes) and you will be sacrificing something.
Good luck!
ORIGINAL: HondaCBR600RRhunk
$2000 for the bike to be lowered right?? What are you smoking? Seriously.
$2000 for the bike to be lowered right?? What are you smoking? Seriously.
I haven't had any issues and many others on here who have lowered their bike haven't had issues. YOU TELL ME TO READ AND LEARN. I tell you to EXPERIENCE IT FIRST HAND, AND LEARN BETTER.
johnny, you can read more about my experience here (I just don't feel like re-typing it):
http://cbrworld.net/forums/thread/248611.aspx
Can you lower it? Yes. The real question is whether or not you should. Only you can answer that. To do such, I think you first need to determine what your ultimate goal is in relation to riding. Are you just going to tool around town with occasional jaunts into the twisties?? Or are you going to be kneedragging on the rumble strips??? I'm not trying to sway you one way or the other. I'm just sharing the experience from someone whose been there and has taken it to a level that most riders with lowered bikes don't go.
In the link above, I discuss my views on various lowering methods. Hopefully, they can help you make an informed decision. You can decide what works for you (and your budget) if you still decide to lower it. Just realize that you don't get something for nothing (as with any mod on these bikes) and you will be sacrificing something.
Good luck!
#47
10-17-2006, 03:57 PM
RE: Thinking about buying 600rr, but my height....
I don't know which thread to reply in so I pick this one... 
hunk all you succeeded in doing is make yourself look stubborn and thick headed...I'm glad you enjoy your lowered bike, but you haven't offered anything but your opinion (as is mine but more factual).
The suspension modifications are suggested as the "right way to do it," obviously not the only way...I'm amazed that you ignored my example of the girl that crashed from her lowered bike and the very technical example from a professional racer and you discredit as "propaganda?" That amazes me!!! You make it seem like lowering your bike is one of the best kept secrets in the motorcycling community and I'm a protester spreading negative propaganda about it...what a hoot!!!
As far as needing to experience it...sorry...I don't need to lower my bike (I'm only an inch taller than you)...it handles just fine without it...you could tell me that jumping out of an airplane without a parachute is exciting and will improve my sky diving skills and I have enough common sense to be able to figure out that I don't need to experience that...get the picture.
Are you recommending that this "throwing on a dog bone secret" is something that's been missed in the racing circuit and every one should do it to improve their lap times? Maybe you misunderstood that Cycle Mag propaganda...
Like was mentioned in another thread...sure it CAN be lowered, but is it a good performance enhancing idea...no!
Oh and thanks for the laugh...
hunk all you succeeded in doing is make yourself look stubborn and thick headed...I'm glad you enjoy your lowered bike, but you haven't offered anything but your opinion (as is mine but more factual).
The suspension modifications are suggested as the "right way to do it," obviously not the only way...I'm amazed that you ignored my example of the girl that crashed from her lowered bike and the very technical example from a professional racer and you discredit as "propaganda?" That amazes me!!! You make it seem like lowering your bike is one of the best kept secrets in the motorcycling community and I'm a protester spreading negative propaganda about it...what a hoot!!!
As far as needing to experience it...sorry...I don't need to lower my bike (I'm only an inch taller than you)...it handles just fine without it...you could tell me that jumping out of an airplane without a parachute is exciting and will improve my sky diving skills and I have enough common sense to be able to figure out that I don't need to experience that...get the picture.
Are you recommending that this "throwing on a dog bone secret" is something that's been missed in the racing circuit and every one should do it to improve their lap times? Maybe you misunderstood that Cycle Mag propaganda...
Like was mentioned in another thread...sure it CAN be lowered, but is it a good performance enhancing idea...no!
Oh and thanks for the laugh...
#49
10-18-2006, 01:04 AM
RE: Thinking about buying 600rr, but my height....
ORIGINAL: johnnykhan
I am thinking about buying a bike, most of my friends have one too. But i am 5 feet 8 inch tall. Am i too short for a cbr 600rr. most of the sports bike is about 32 inch in height. Let me know how tall are you? and are you having any problem?
I am thinking about buying a bike, most of my friends have one too. But i am 5 feet 8 inch tall. Am i too short for a cbr 600rr. most of the sports bike is about 32 inch in height. Let me know how tall are you? and are you having any problem?
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#50
10-18-2006, 01:53 AM
