I totally agree, I have five friends with bikes all started on 600s, all dropped their bikes, all were pissed.. Think about it

 

Nope.
...Later on when you've got your automatic responces down.

But why? Just because of the motor? the motor does not make the bike.

Yeah, now that you've got a solid base to work out... i'm sure you would have shat yourself the first time it happened on the street with more things to distract your mind than some unmoving trees and rocks. You've got traffic to worry about and that's a real big distracter when poo hits the fan.

Yeah, you're right... they also started riding the street courses on race bikes at 10 years old. needless to say, most street riders start that same activity at the very unimpressionable age of 20 - 25

They go hand in hand. the first time he has to learn NOT to stab the brakes, he's going to be very gratefull that the suspension allowed a lot of leverage for errors as such... not one that's going to throw him over the bars for such a simple error... which is why the EX500 and GS500 are superior learning bikes than a Supersport.

Oh yeah? you're saying that if i had a 250 Ninja and you had your 450 dirt bike, and we took a little trip to Deal's Gap, that the dirt bike will beat me to the other side? I'll be sure to call the paramedics before we start if you plan on keeping up with me.

There you go, give him something else to worry about while he's riding a bike the demands an experienced hand during a evasive maneuver... you know besides the man hole cover right in front of his tire or the stone litter 2 feet in front of it.

god damn it, do you guys really even listen to yourselves when you give out teaching advice? it's the same regurgitated crap every time i read it! "I started on a 600, you'll be fine." "I'm an experienced rider and i think you'll be fine on a supersport because i did it" over and over... You didn't start on a Standard Sport, therefor, someone who did and tells a different story has more experience on the subject than yourself. savvy? Don't any of you who started on a supersport find it a little strange that anyone who hasn't and started on the EX250/EX500/GS500 disagrees with your statements?

 

long but well said
i started on an underpowered zx6 E model and even it was more than a newb should have had.
spun the tire 4 times the first day

 

With street rims/tires on it..........yes, quite handily.

So.....that being said what is the difference between starting on a 600 and a 1000? The chassis is what makes the bike according to your words and well......lets be honest, if the motor has nothing to do with making the bike then surely a 1000 is just as safe. [sm=yikesomg.gif]Or not.

I'm not saying that everyone should start on a new 600. It's stupid, no doubt, but having ridden a CRF450 SURELY would be enough to handle any power output that 600 can make...with in reason.

I dont know if you've EVER ridden a dirtbike but they can toss you on your head just as easy.

Whoa there killer. I DO listen to myself. I did NOT start on asport bike at all.......perhaps you forgot what you quoted with the CSR 250. That's the farthest thing from sport I've ever seen.And it's no dirtbike. I'm not one of the peoplethat says I had one and I did it so you can too. I do NOT think EVERYONE can or should start on a new 600. They are pretty unforgiving machines but aside from the power factor they are also safer in every way than an F2 (or any other "Old" bike). They will turn quicker/easier/faster and stop faster with less effort, they will accelerate harder and because of all these things they will also punish stupidity even quicker. A 600 is probably a bad idea when learning the finer points of throttle control (a liter bike even MORE so) compared to say a 250 Nighthawk but it's also safer in every other aspect of riding than the Nighthawk.
I do not recommend starting on anything new because it's going to hit the ground. I personally think that anyone starting on a liter bike is a complete and utter moron.......but coming from a dirt bike with that kind of power.....I dont think it's so much the power that will get him (based on the bike he has been riding) as the traffic itself.....and that **** is ALWAYS going to be there regardless of the machine you are on.

If you are riding like that on the street then you are asking for problems. If you are pushing hard enough to slide the *** end exiting a corner or on the brakes hard enough entering that you are backing it in a little then you are asking for the **** that is about to happen to you and yes.....I WOULD shat myself doing that on the street.Dont ride

 

Experienced riders ( I am not talking about people that have been riding for a couple of years or less than 50,000 miles):
1. Start small and work your way up.
2. Take MSF course.
3. Read books on riding.
4. Practice away from traffic (parking lot).

New Riders (two years and 5,000 miles still makes you a new rider):
1. Buy the 600 Supersport you'll be fine.
2. Touchy brakes are good.
3. Twitchy steering is good.
4. Power will get you out of trouble.

Strong brakes are not always a good thing, new riders tend to over brake when in a panic. Supersport bikes respond very quickly to any steering inputs, this is not a good thing when you don't really know how to ride. Power can get you out of trouble but it more often than not will get you into more trouble than you can handle if you don't really know how to ride.

All of this being said, your dirt bike experience will help you quite a bit, just remember that the inputs needed to ride a dirtbike are very different from the ones you will use to ride a street bike.

As a side note, I own an '07 CBR600RR, an '06 FZ1 and a Ninja 250. I ride them all equally and enjoy riding all three of them. The CBR600RR is for the track and occasional street ride (this bike sucks for any extended street riding but on the track it is a monster), the FZ1 for extended street rides and commuting and the Ninja for the track and commuting. Now for all of you that will argue the incredible street worthiness of the CBR600RR, you are wrong. This is not a street bike and was not designed for it, period. It is a race bike that has been modified to be street legal. Sure you can go for a 500 mile cruise on it but there are far, far better motorcycles to do that on. That is a fact and you can argue all you want you are still wrong.

You decide who to listen to.

 

Then that's not a dirt bike, is it?

chassis wise, it is no more or less dangerous. I said the motor does not make the bike and that holds true. it's an amalgamation of the parts that make the bike, things like brakes, suspension, tires, rims, etc. It's not the power output of the bike that determines it's ridability. an old CB1000 is very rideable for someone who has throttle and clutch control because it's easy to handle. it's not as responsive as a super sport and the suspension is soft... unlike a CBR. ANY CBR.


Not like a hard core dirt bike rider. i know a few people that ride big huge bikes like the 450 on the trail. Just... puttering along. then again, i live in the northwoods. I don't know about the trails in your neck of the woods, but ours don't look like a motoX circuit.

[quote] Whoa there killer. I DO listen to myself. I did NOT start on a sport bike at all.......perhaps you forgot what you quoted with the CSR 250. That's the farthest thing from sport I've ever seen. And it's no dirtbike. I'm not one of the people that says I had one and I did it so you can too. I do NOT think EVERYONE can or should start on a new 600. They are pretty unforgiving machines but aside from the power factor they are also safer in every way than an F2 (or any other "Old" bike). They will turn quicker/easier/faster and stop faster with less effort, they will accelerate harder and because of all these things they will also punish stupidity even quicker. A 600 is probably a bad idea when learning the finer points of throttle control (a liter bike even MORE so) compared to say a 250 Nighthawk but it's also safer in every other aspect of riding than the Nighthawk.
I do not recommend starting on anything new because it's going to hit the ground. I personally think that anyone starting on a liter bike is a complete and utter moron.......but coming from a dirt bike with that kind of power.....I dont think it's so much the power that will get him (based on th

 

After reading through your posts I think that gixxereaterhas a pretty good idea where I am coming from.My crf450r was a straight up beast.I started on a stock 03 450 and then moved up to a 05 slapped a pipe on it,re geared it and had some slight motor work and re mapped it and it was pushing atleast 55 hp on a 230 pound bikeand though it is different that thing moved.I spent a good amount of time at the tracks but stopped because it was just to dangerous and packed and the jumps will brake something way to easy if u go down(I work so braking a arm would have been bad).I have been on 220 pound 60 hp super motocrf450r afew times and handledit fine but definitelly didnt push it.I am not going to buy a brand new bike I have pretty much decided on getting a 2003 600rr that has low miles and runs well but may have afew scrathes because I know I will put it down so I might as well get one allready scratched and save afew dollars.But to heed the advice of the vets I will spend a whole lot of time and money on classes before I ride it regular or in traffic.

 

If you meant this, you wouldn't be buying a 600rr for your very first road bike.

But then you know what? if you don't want to listen to a voice of experience, by all means ride your cbr600rr. i don't honestly give a crap any more. you obviously don't give two pence about learning to be a great rider, so i wont offer any further advice. all i know is you are eventually going to be a contributer to the ever increasing ownership tax that is called motorcycle insurance which effects me and millions of other riders. needless to say i have a certain vested interest in good motorcycle operation and conduct.

 

did you miss the part where I said a whole lot of classes and training?I am in no hurry to go straight to the street with this thing hell I probably will be over seas for 15 months before it touches non countrolled pavement.I had the same split on opinions the first time I got a large dirt bike and went the buy fast and treat it with respect route and I came out good with over 3 years of riding the last 2 being pretty hard and fast.I got out of it whentwo people I know where both put in a wheel chair.one was some one I had ridden with for years and the other I had afew times.The first broke his back the second his neck.I would rather learn as slow as a snail on a bike that is to much for me then go through the headache of buying and selling 2 or 3 bikes.My original question was about the differences between the 03 and the 05 and if it would be better to spend a little more from the start on a 05 because its much better but since it sounds like I will soon be dead if I get on a 03 or a 05 I am going to buy a scraped up 03 so there is a little money left over for the family to spend after I eat fender.


1 more thing.I always loose my shirt when selling or trading things in.I dont know why because I am not a push over just always works out that way so I will not be trading anything in on new or buying new for that matter I do not want payments on anything for years to come.I will work my *** off for the next 4 years in the army and If I like it then I will stay in and without payments on anything I will someday buy a house in some little town in texas or something with a good chunk of savings.I need to get out of so cal,especially if I get into bikes.sure ortega highway looks cool but the crazy drivers on the way to get there do not.

 

well there you go. i didn't miss it. i'm glad you're going though the classes and what not. Who knows?! maybe you'll feed off the track and the bike will never hit the street. never mind you can just trade to old bike in... there's no need to sell it yourself. like i implied, you're not really thinking this through very much. never mind if you **** yourself up your military career will feel it. you'll get written up for a sun burn private, believe me, i know. i did my time just like you're about to. you don't want to not show up the next morning AWOL because you ditched your bike making a rookie street rider mistake the night before.

but what ever, that fine, you'll learn.