Intermittent Stalling - I'm Stumped
#11
Really interesting conversation going on, I'd just like to add a little simple engineering "maths" on the question of empty tank versus full tank being sufficient to provide enough gravity pressure to feed the carbs.
The pressure in the tank when almost empty is pretty much atmospheric pressure. The fuel level in a nearly empty tank is say 30cm lower than when the tank is full. The density of petrol is approx 0.75 (cf fresh water 1.0). 1 bar = a 10.3m column of water = 13.7m (10.3/0.75) of petrol. So 30 cm of petrol generates an additional 0.3/13.7 = 0.022bar. So the pressure at the bottom of a virtually empty tank is 1 bar, and when the tank is full it's 1.022bar. I don't think a full tank will make any difference to the fuel flow compared with an empty tank. Sorry I can't help as much as the others with the mechanical/electrical diagnosis.
The pressure in the tank when almost empty is pretty much atmospheric pressure. The fuel level in a nearly empty tank is say 30cm lower than when the tank is full. The density of petrol is approx 0.75 (cf fresh water 1.0). 1 bar = a 10.3m column of water = 13.7m (10.3/0.75) of petrol. So 30 cm of petrol generates an additional 0.3/13.7 = 0.022bar. So the pressure at the bottom of a virtually empty tank is 1 bar, and when the tank is full it's 1.022bar. I don't think a full tank will make any difference to the fuel flow compared with an empty tank. Sorry I can't help as much as the others with the mechanical/electrical diagnosis.
#15
That holds true for a river. A river is at atmospheric pressure at the surface where most of the flow is and millions of gallons of water flow. The next time you take a drink from a glass, think about your engine consuming that much liquid. Your engine will not be able to consume that much, even at atmospheric pressure.
Last edited by TimBucTwo; 08-27-2018 at 07:53 AM.
#16
I think Honda did this to make their bikes start easier. My old Suzuki is a pain to start, cause if it sits too long, there won't be enough fuel in the float bowls. I crank it a bit and if it won't fire, I then need to turn the petcock to 'Prime' which just bypasses the vacuum spring to let the fuel flow freely. I count a couple seconds, then turn it back to 'On' and crank the bike a few times til it starts. Honda wanted a reputation for reliability, and having a bike that starts right up on the first or second crank really makes a bike 'feel' reliable. Hence, one of the benefits of a fuel pump is that it 'self-primes', meaning Joe Consumer has one less thing to worry about, and while his buddies are kicking or cranking away, he's already at a comfortable idle
It also would have been useful when they started putting reserve tanks underneath the seat to increase range. Then you actually need a pump to overcome gravity
Looking back, it seems like every old Honda owner liked to brag about how easy it was to start the bike. Runs like a Honda, they said
I think it's an elaborate marketing ploy
It also would have been useful when they started putting reserve tanks underneath the seat to increase range. Then you actually need a pump to overcome gravity
Looking back, it seems like every old Honda owner liked to brag about how easy it was to start the bike. Runs like a Honda, they said
I think it's an elaborate marketing ploy
#17
OK, in the past, members have had the same problem. In most cases, it turned out to be the tank breather line being plugged.
To check if the line is plugged and your getting a vacuum lock, ride with the filler cap open and see if the problem goes away. If so clear the line.
To check if the line is plugged and your getting a vacuum lock, ride with the filler cap open and see if the problem goes away. If so clear the line.
I owe you one. Thanks
#18
Glad to hear she is running well, happy ridding!
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