Hi,

I have bought a CBR100f a 92model out of Belgium ( I live in the Netherlands)
To drive it here legally I want to buy an other frame and transfer all parts so I have then a legal one.
Now, my question is: is a frame of a 93 , or 94 or 95 model the same as my 92?

I can only find here a 95 model ( and a 88 model but thats probably to old)

Can anyone help me with this? what are the options? Thanks !

 

As far as I know the 92 frame and the 95 frame are the same - the fairings look different but the mounting points are the same.

 

That seems a very strange rule. Wouldn't it just be easier to swap frame ID plates??

 

I thought the same thing but what if the history on the bike is "less than complete " ?
In SA you aren't allowed to change the makes frame plates - it's illegal.
I thought that was true of most places......
Both engine number and frame plate numbers are on the reggo certificate here. If you sell the bike, both are physically checked by a vehicle examiner.
Are you allowed to do it in NZ, Teeks ?

 

Thanks for the reply. But doesn't the frame have a number punched in ? so swapping can't be done. It is illegal in the Netherlands to remove the number and put one in yourself..
It would be much faster and easier indeed if this could work.
But now I know I can buy the '95 frame wihtout problems.

 

I think Shadow, that there is maybe something going on in the background here that we don't fully understand. I wouldn't think any country would have an issue with swapping out an engine for legitimate mechanical reasons.

But having to swap out a frame to comply with some Govt. regulation. Don't get it.

Are you allowed to do it in NZ, Teeks ?

Probably not, but in NZ the VIN plate is pop riveted to the frame. As long as the Vin # matches the recorded rego plate number, no mechanic is going to start tearing all the fairings off to go searching for engine and frame numbers.

Are you allowed to do it ? NO

Is it easy to do ? YES

According to the officially recorded frame and engine numbers against my VIN I have the 147th last 87 frame and the 150th last 87 engine. So did the frames and engines get mixed up at the factory?

No idea, but I have also never actually checked if my frame and engine numbers actually correlate against what is recorded on my VIN.

 

They are pop riveted to the frame in the US as well but upon closer inspection of the
head stock tube the VIN is stamped into it as well. I was under the opinion that was
a universal stamping, but correct me if it's just a US thing , I'd be real interested in
knowing if this is in fact the case or not.

Engines have stamps dead center behind downpipes on a machined space on the
crankcase

 

Frame numbers are stamped into the headstock here too Sprock. Whenever you sell a bike, the engine and frame numbers are checked against your registration paperwork.
If you have to replace an engine you are required to take the bike for a "Police clearance" to ensure that no parts are stolen. You are then issued with an amended set of papers for the bike and new engine. It's a major hassle to get it done.
Problem is, if you don't and you are stopped in a police roadblock and the engine doesn't match the paperwork, the fuzz impound your bike .
Walking home wouldn't be fun...............

 

I agree with all that Sprock and Shadow have said above. But, real life observations:

Have you ever been stopped at a roadblock and had PC Numpty ask you to strip off the fairings so he can check the engine and frame numbers?

Last time I did a bike ownership change; the completely uninterested old lady at the Post Office

(OK, maybe not that old, about my age)

just took my nine dollars and magically made the bike mine rather than kiwiJK's. She showed absolutely no interest in wandering outside and waiting while I stripped the fairings off to show her the concealed magic numbers.

I guess that selling stamps to Noodles to post their washing back home to Mum was more of a priority.

 

Shadow,

here in te Netherlands you can change the engine with no paperwork at all. The enginenumbers are not relevant here. Only the frame number.
The enginenumber isn't on your papers mentioned..:-)