Blackbird more comfortable?
 

I´ve got pain in my butt after 1 hour ride and constant pain in my right wrist. I am 195 cm tall which doesnt make it easier.
Anybody knows if the Blackbird is more comfortable and would solve this?
Right now I´m using airhawk on my seat and have raised the handlebars and put them more outwords as a emergency solution. The FJR 1300 would surely solve the problems but its a little bit to expensive and to much "goldwing?"

RE: Blackbird more comfortable?
 

I changed from CBR 1000 F to Blackbird last year. The generalimpression was that the new bike has a better ergo for active and fast driving, but not as good as the CBR 1000 F in town and on roads attouring pace. If I remember right, others in this forum also having tested both bikes said that the Blackbird is less comfy. You ride in a more upright position on the 1000 F, the seating position on the Blackbird is almostlike on recent sport bikes, although not as extreme as on sport bikes a few years ago. I'm 175 cm's andfeels the Blackbird as comfy as the 1000 F after installing VFR 800 handle bars on the Blackbird. TheVFR barsare raised, wider and located closer to the driver. The foot pegs are slightly higher on the Blackbird, i.ethe knee-room is better on the 1000 F for tall persons. So, mybetis that the Blackbird would be lesscomfy for you.

RE: Blackbird more comfortable?
 

Quote:

---

rhino94 raised the handlebars and put them more outwords

---

Is this not cancelling itself out ? - raising the bars makes yousit more upright but widening the bars will make you lean forwards again.

I raised my bars a little but then I rotated them slightly towards myself to give them a more natural place when you reach for them.

RE: Blackbird more comfortable?
 

Try what I have done with my CBR she is very comfy. I had the local lad re do my seat and then bulked it up with a lamswool over I am also 6 foot 3 and have found it to be very comfy especially on a 500 Kl trip on a weekend

RE: Blackbird more comfortable?
 

Well yes but it is not much outwards and the reason I wanted them that way is that the way they are angled originally, the angle of the wrist is otherwise too much inwards which means that the pressure is on the outside of the palm. Now it is on the whole palm.

RE: Blackbird more comfortable?
 

It looks nice but I have come to a point where I ask myself how much should I spend on this bike compared to buying another one.

R1000, I knew you had experience of both bikes and hoped that you would answer. Unfortunately the answer was the way I expected since I have tried sitting on it in the local store.
Any other suggestions? Hayabusa is not enough touring, I cant buy a Kawasaki ZX12 since I promised my self never more a Kawa due to the poor quality I have experienced i earlier bikes.

RE: Blackbird more comfortable?
 

Not easy to give a good advice since you are a giant compared to me J and the 1000F is not easy to replace for reasonable money with something that is abetter bike. My guess is that the FJR 1300 would be almost a perfect bike and there is really not much Goldwing about it other than the shaft drive. The FJR is a well designed and good lookingbike that handles well. I racedvery even with a FJR 1300 on Gelleråsen with my Hurricane last year, the FJR was slightly stronger on the main straight but I had better tyres and could go faster in turns. Many of the newer sport bikes were left behind both the FJR and the Hurricane. If you want more power than 145 hpit is just to put on an aftermarket system. I was in factinterested in themlast yearas an alternative to my Hurricane which I decided to sell before it was totally worn, and have read a lot of good comments for the FJR 1300, like on http://www.motorcycledaily.com/17apr...004fjr1300.htm But the bike is somewhatto large for me and like you are saying they cost quite a lot. Perhaps you can search on www.blocket.se and see if there are any for a reasonable price at this moment? A Blackbird with VFR 800 bars and lowered foot pegs is probably also a very good option and they cost less than the Yamaha and have a sportier image and better performances.

RE: Blackbird more comfortable?
 

There are a few more things you can do.

1. Put motorcross/streeter bars on.
2. Get your seat re-foamed and add and inch or 2 to its height. Note though if you just get the usual soft foam added to the top you wont get much extra height because the foam will be squished. To get the good height you need to have the seat re-foamed with some rock harm foam on the bottom of the seat and then the usual amount of soft foam on top.

If you do that you'll probably want ot go with a touring screen to allow for the fact you'll be sitting up higher.

With the ZX-12's the quality isnt to bad for a Kwaka, but they are hard on ya wrists and can be expensive when it comes to doing the valve shims as you have to drop the engine due to lack of clearance. Also the re-sale is ****house.

But **** they go though.

RE: Blackbird more comfortable?
 

I have traveled 25000km in the last 2 years on my cbr1000f i am 184cm. The bike is good for 2 to 3 hours at a time. I test road the cbr1100xx,1000vtr andcbr1000 fireblade thay all seemed to put too much pressure on my arms. The old bike is comfy and forgiving. ps you can bag up a vtrat 10500 shifts and around 190km in a drag

RE: Blackbird more comfortable?
 

Thanks R1000, can you further explain the possibility for more power with an aftermarket system?
Also following your link to the fjr page, the 2004 model and newer seems to be the right choice?

Thanks also to weekendrider, trips anddean0 for answering.

RE: Blackbird more comfortable?
 

Here comes a short and quickanswer [&:]

Modern bikes respond very well to replacement of exhaust systems since the stock mufflers are very restrictive to meet noise and emission requirements. From a performance point of view this is to throw away about 10 hp on top and significant amount of midrange power and throttle response. It may not sound like a lot, but the experienced performance boost is far better than most people would believe by looking at the number since the engine will respond and pull much better. If you look into the last issue of Bike magazine you will see the typical change of power and torque curve if a bike is equipped with a slip-on system; i.e. adding new mid pipes and mufflers but keep the stock downpipes (headers) to keep cost down.

There are not a lot of slip-on systems to choose to the FJR 1300 but here are some links:

http://www.remus.at/php/index.php?cm...uctModel=40441

http://www.devilbikes.com/exhaust_pa...WhhJkZKUjEzMDA=

If it becomes actual to buy a system, check with Thomas.Broering@t-online.defrom which I have bought new systems for very competitive prices.

When the exhaust system is changed to be free flowing, the Air to Fuel ratio should be adjusted. It is not a must if you don’t replace the full exhaust system though. In case you want to optimize the performance you need a so called Power Commander unit for that, see http://www.tts-performance.com/catal...cdec94c1b138f4

If you look at http://motospeed.se and select Yamaha, FJR 1300 and select show details, you will find the prices in Sweden, usually about 3500 SEK.

The Power Commander unit needs to be loaded with a Fuel map which you can download from www.powercommander.com for free that will work quite OK, or leave the bike to a Dyno Center that will tune the bike on a test bench for about 2500 SEK. There are a lot of Dyno Centres around; you e.g. can go to Bike in Trollhättan or places in Gothenburg to get the bike tuned.

The first step would however be to just change the exhaust system to a slip-on and follow up the colour on plugs to check that the engine doesn’t run too lean. If that is enough, and it should be, you will save a huge amount of money by skipping the PC and the manual tuning.

I agree that model year 2004 and on seems to be the best FJR 1300 to go for. Older versions might need stiffer rear and front springs. Springs are however cheap if you want to upgrade a 2003 model.

The FJR 1300 can also be provided with premium fully adjustable shocks like you will find onhttp://www.hyperprousa.com

That, in combination with stiffer front spring, wouldprobably make the 2003 model handling even better than the 2004 chassie. I use the fully adjsustableHyperpro 041 rear shock on my Blackbird and it is a night and day difference to the stock unit. I also use stiffer front springs, but another brand though.

Hyperpro stiffer front and rear springs are only about 2000 SEK for the FJR 1300. Check with Franz Switzer email afsmotorparts@chello.nl
at http://www.afsmotorparts.nl for prices on Hyperpro products.

RE: Blackbird more comfortable?
 

Get the balls of your feet up on the pegs and carry your upper body weight there. In pretty short order your legs will become accustomed to this and all soreness will be gone. On a sportbike you shouldn't be leaning on the bars. If you'll do this it will stop the problem and the bike will handle better. No weight on the bars. More details in any sportriding book.

BTW, most bar risers are a patch to fix this problem. Sit it right and no more trouble.

RE: Blackbird more comfortable?
 

I fully agree, if the wrists have to carry the weight of the body it doesn't help muchwhatever bike is used, and for sure it real bad for the handling of the bike if the bars are used foranything otherthan the necessary steering commands. Still, higher bars than normal on a typical sport bike,and aproper butt to peg distance, will increase the ridingcomfort a lot.

RE: Blackbird more comfortable?
 

Peg lowering http://www.cbr1100xx.org/forums/inde...howtopic=32241

RE: Blackbird more comfortable?
 

R1000,

You said that you just changed to a Blackbird? Is it a HUGE difference in power compared to the 1000F models? or about the same? Im thinkin of purchasing a Blackbird within the next few months and I was wondering how it would stack up to the 1000F.
Thanks



-1000FFreakyFast

RE: Blackbird more comfortable?
 

Until recently I was thinking of upgrading to a Hayabusa. But I changed my mind because in order to go fast over a long distance you need protection from the wind. On the 1000Fwithout a touring windshield I could do 105mph before running into the "brick wall"of wind resistance. With a touring windshield Irun into the wall at 140 mph. Huge difference! Now neither the blackbird nor busaoffer aftermarket windshields with that kind of protection from the windlike the 1000F. Which means that I wouldnot be able to reallytap intothe power.Therefore the blackbird, no matter how much more powerful will notdo it cos I really wanna go fast for a long long time, without having tolayflat.

RE: Blackbird more comfortable?
 

Check this thread
https://cbrforum.com/m_142747/tm.htm