New techniques?
Heading into the new year, are there any specific "NEW" techniques that you wish to learn more about or try this year? Having had the chance to ride Aragon in Spain in October, I was working on understanding engine braking a bit more and combining it better with trail braking. What are some things that you guys want to know/understand more and what are you planning on working on with your own riding?
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I really need help to actually use brakes entering corners. I just usually roll off the throttle and turn at the appropriate point.
Of course I use the brakes if there is something in front of me, like someone stopping, or an obstacle, or a red light etc. :) I know its fine on the street, but if I can ever get to a track day, I know everyone will just out brake me into every corner. |
secondly, by reading my rear tire, I am clearly able to lean over more comfortably to the left. The left side of my rear tire has a few mm of unworn tire and my right side has a bit less than an inch.
Or is this just because of road crown and the fact that traffic circles are all left turns with camber ? |
Originally Posted by John600rr
(Post 1324550)
I really need help to actually use brakes entering corners. I just usually roll off the throttle and turn at the appropriate point.
Of course I use the brakes if there is something in front of me, like someone stopping, or an obstacle, or a red light etc. :) I know its fine on the street, but if I can ever get to a track day, I know everyone will just out brake me into every corner.
Originally Posted by John600rr
(Post 1324551)
secondly, by reading my rear tire, I am clearly able to lean over more comfortably to the left. The left side of my rear tire has a few mm of unworn tire and my right side has a bit less than an inch.
Or is this just because of road crown and the fact that traffic circles are all left turns with camber ? |
throttle control in this context for me is smooth, and appropriately timed.
I will look ahead, see the line I want to take (usually a late apex so I have more time to see, and more room if something isn't as planned), select the correct gear, and roll off the throttle to get the desired entry speed I want. Then I will lean the required amount and aim for the apex. As I approach the apex, I will start to GENTLY feed in some throttle. Not enough to actually accelerate the bike,or change its attitude, but enough to not have the throttle closed anymore, keeping the speed I have set. As I hit the apex, I will feed in more and more as I start to allow the bike to stand up. Once I am pointed straight, I can go for as much throttle as needed for the upcoming straight. Probably not explaining this well, but when done right it feels smooth and looks (and sounds) like watching good instructors. |
Originally Posted by John600rr
(Post 1324721)
throttle control in this context for me is smooth, and appropriately timed.
I will look ahead, see the line I want to take (usually a late apex so I have more time to see, and more room if something isn't as planned), select the correct gear, and roll off the throttle to get the desired entry speed I want. Then I will lean the required amount and aim for the apex. As I approach the apex, I will start to GENTLY feed in some throttle. Not enough to actually accelerate the bike,or change its attitude, but enough to not have the throttle closed anymore, keeping the speed I have set. As I hit the apex, I will feed in more and more as I start to allow the bike to stand up. Once I am pointed straight, I can go for as much throttle as needed for the upcoming straight. Probably not explaining this well, but when done right it feels smooth and looks (and sounds) like watching good instructors. |
I'm not the best at communicating. The part where I am holding it steady is only very brief. My bike has throttle cables, not ride by wire, so its a bit jerky when the plate closes and opens again from fully closed. I am trying to minimise that because that jerkiness can't be good for anything really, least of all keeping the bike doing what I want. :)
As soon as I can, I will roll on slightly, opening it up more and more until I am full throttle (if that's the goal on the exit) I am thinking that more throttle will make the bike stand upright? I am a new rider tho, so I could be wrong. I also know it was easier to do on my last bike. it had ride by wire throttle. (KTM RC 390 with a few mods) BTW, thank you for taking the time to help here, I appreciate it. |
Originally Posted by John600rr
(Post 1325118)
I'm not the best at communicating. The part where I am holding it steady is only very brief. My bike has throttle cables, not ride by wire, so its a bit jerky when the plate closes and opens again from fully closed. I am trying to minimise that because that jerkiness can't be good for anything really, least of all keeping the bike doing what I want. :)
As soon as I can, I will roll on slightly, opening it up more and more until I am full throttle (if that's the goal on the exit) I am thinking that more throttle will make the bike stand upright? I am a new rider tho, so I could be wrong. I also know it was easier to do on my last bike. it had ride by wire throttle. (KTM RC 390 with a few mods) BTW, thank you for taking the time to help here, I appreciate it. So, let's look at this more closely..... does rolling on the throttle stand the bike upright? Say you are going through a basic corner, you turn the bike, get the lean angle you want and pointed in the direction you want, you then roll on the gas smoothly evenly and constantly throughout the corner. While you are rolling the gas on doest the bike stand up by itself or do you steer it upright? What happens if you get on the gas too soon (before you are completely pointed where you want to go or before you have gotten to the lean angle you want)? Where does the. bike want to go? |
the bike will start to stand up depending on how much throttle is applied.
If I am just riding in traffic, and cannot really accelerate due to traffic or speed limits etc, I can pick the bike up, but if I add throttle it will stand up on its own and it will also tend to widen the radius of the corner with addition of throttle |
Originally Posted by John600rr
(Post 1326140)
the bike will start to stand up depending on how much throttle is applied.
If I am just riding in traffic, and cannot really accelerate due to traffic or speed limits etc, I can pick the bike up, but if I add throttle it will stand up on its own and it will also tend to widen the radius of the corner with addition of throttle Here you will find an interesting article by Keith Code in which he explains a little more about throttle control and holding a line. Holding Your Line - Articles by Keith - Cornering Forum He says in the article, "Most riders say the bike comes up as they begin to roll the throttle on more aggressively towards the end of the turn. Contrary to that feeling, the bike does not ?come up? from throttle application when you are exiting a turn." If it isn't the throttle that brings that bike up, what is it? |
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