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Old 08-17-2007, 01:56 AM
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Please answer someone, can't lift the damn thing up even at 1st gear(f4i).

WhenIpull the clutch, should I disengage it completely or just to keep it semi-engaged? After that when I rev it up and ready to release the clutch, should I continue accelerating during releasing it or keepthe gassteady? At which point it should come up -after I released the clutch completely or in process of releasing it? How to release the clutch - fast or slowly (slower than during regular gear switching?)?

I have read all damn tutorials and watched all damn wheelie movies on the internet - it didn't help [&:] All tutorials say forbegining justpull the clutch, rev it up, and release the clutch and it should "easily" come up. Not in my case - it just jerks.
haha now you want to pop a wheelie.. well got to be comfortable with your bike (i think you said you had 10Kmiles on it already) i got mine up around 6Kmiles..

pretty much find your sweet spot on your clutch (where it just at the tresh-hole of engaging and disengaging) in first gear, keep it around 15mph and then keep it in your sweet spot - throttle it 1Krpm then let it engage to feel it pop it up a bit.. now keep adding 1Krpm more everytime till the front wheel comes off the ground.. this will make sure you dont over-due it the first time (it's better to be safe then sorry). BP (or Balance point) will all determined on how big you are, your position, and the bike.. but the closer you are to BP, the less amount of RPM's you have to give the bike to keep it off it's front wheel. with the clutch itself,you pretty much let it go fast (dont just dump it...) if you just ease off it, the bike will not get off it's front tire..

also you dont want to look at the RPM's much - you just want to feel and hear the bike out, not have to look at it. I still do myself but oh well, gotta stop soon.

if you want, you can do power wheelies - they are unsafe but gives you a feel for what a wheelie feels like.. once again, it's uncontrolled and you will only be able to do it at a small range of MPH/RPM - (mine is 35mph and 5.5RPM first gear) but like everywhere you hear about power wheelies, they are dangerous and are uncontrolable

remember when doing any type of wheelie, do it on a closed road or private property with gear on - and always have your foot ready for the rear brake just in case.. and dont make yourself do it, it takes more then just an hour to pop a wheelie - take your time, you got the rest of your life to learn..

but i've seen F2 and F3's pop wheelies, so an F4i is pretty easy..

Fill your front tire with helium... That's what I do.
actually you can let alittle PSI out of the rear tire for more grip - which will make it alittle easier to get that front tire up.Asprocket change will also help alot out with popping a wheelie up pretty fast - if you havent done one.. look for 520 conversion or
-1/+2 topic and you should find some good information.. but all in all, that bike will come up pretty easy as is - just practice and dont over-due it man..
 
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I have feeling that to do wheelies you need to be rather big guy - it's your weight that flips the bike, isn't it? I'm on skiny side, it's probably my problem.

So you are saying that even if I rev it up by +1k the wheel should come up? Yesterday I tried everything - from 5k till 14k with or without clutch - it doesn't come up, and I reved it up as much as +6k and still nothing. Should I open gas completely for that?
 
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Old 08-17-2007, 11:39 AM
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Its all you, but its not because of your weight.
 
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Old 08-17-2007, 01:19 PM
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it's not your weight - i'm 132lbs and even a 300lbs man could still flip that bike if he f**ed up (or wanted to i guess haha). i was saying rev it 1K+ each time to figure out where your sweet spot is and teach you how to work the clutch for wheelies, your going to lurch yourself alot of times - usually your at around 4-5Krpm's and to pop the wheelies it's about 10-12Krpm's.. so yeah it's not just going to be 6Krpm's and think it will come up, but i was just trying to let you take it easy.. just practice, but never over-due it.. make sure you have frame sliders on your bike too just in case..

it does take 10% throttle and 90% *****.. i know when i get my wheel up, first thing i do is "holy **** i think im over BP" and let go of the gas.. yes, i'm a vagina..

so you can be coasting aroudn 4-5Krpm then hit the sweet spot rev it up 1K (so it will be 6Krpm's) then drop the clutch fast, no wheelie - ok get back to 4-5Krpm's then hit the sweet spot and rev it 2K (so 7Krpm's) till so on and so on.. till you get that wheel up.. it's just to get your comfortable with using your sweet spot clutch and revving it.

 
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Old 08-17-2007, 07:02 PM
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I have feeling that to do wheelies you need to be rather big guy - it's your weight that flips the bike, isn't it? I'm on skiny side, it's probably my problem.

So you are saying that even if I rev it up by +1k the wheel should come up? Yesterday I tried everything - from 5k till 14k with or without clutch - it doesn't come up, and I reved it up as much as +6k and still nothing. Should I open gas completely for that?
How long have you been riding? Get the basics down and get some experience under your belt before trying wheelies. I rode for 7 years (I'm a puss) before trying wheelies. Once I got the basics it seems EZ. If your having that hard of a time maybe you should slow it down before you wad your **** up, damn I'm sounding like my old man. Oh yeah, I'm 230lbs and I'm on a 05 600RR.
 
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Well I am riding for 3 months, but everyevening and don'treturn home until get at least 60 miles

So today after half an hour trying and reving like crazy I think I managed to lift it by 1 inch orso without clutch at 1st gear doing around 11k rpm, opened throttle on 90% though - isn't it too much?How much throttle do you give it?

Well, at least some progress... [8D]
 
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Old 08-18-2007, 01:22 AM
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yeah 3 months aint much daffy.. seriously, take it down a notch - people usually start getting comfortable on their bike around a year or so.. a power wheelie is easy to do, 5Krpm in 1st gear then just throttle it hard.. but yeah, i'm 11 months right now (not inlcuding my first bike, which was another 8 months - but i wrecked it for stupidity) .. take it easy and day by day, it will come to ya.. dont force it

 
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that's weird. On my f4i, I just get going about 20 to 25 mph. Engage the clutch rev it to a reasonable spot to what I think I hear is correct then let go of the clutch and go from there. It's really nothing special. Seems like your focusing TOO much on it, with the clutch and stuff maybe. I'm not really sure I'm not even close to good at this but I'm just putting out some advice.
 
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if u wanna keep it up put viagra in the gas tank 30 minutes before you think youre gonna do a wheelie. if you experience wheelies lasting longer than 4 hours, call a cameraman
 
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Ok I finally figuredout what was my problem.I waspulling the clutch, reving it up and holding the accelerator steady, andthen when releasing the clutchnothing was happening except jerking (revs drop). What I am supposed to do is to keep gaining revs just like during power wheelie (not as hard though), but disengage and engage clutch in process. Justcouple ofinches above the ground for now, but at least I feel that I am on the right way [8D]Still scary though [&:]
 


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