well god doesn't exist, so you'd be wasting your time anyway. Don't do it. Think of the Rottweilers.

 

I hope you do everything you can to keep that baby. That baby is every bit yours as it is hers. Here is a link for legal aid in your area (just did a really quick search) PA Law Help

You need help, and you have to have rights as the father...you just have to, or I have lost all faith in this country. I wonder if the law will see that baby as a human being unless he/she is a certain amount of months old...get help!


EDIT: You have to refocus your energy. All that "I want to kill myself" business needs to turn into "I want to save this baby"! I'm serious. Time to step up! This is one of those important crossroad times in your life...recognize it.

 

On a side note......If she does go thru with it and kill your child..... I would be passing out flyers, posting them on phone poles, taking out full page adds in the paper with her name and picture telling how she killed your child. I'd follow her to the ends of the earth to make sure she never lived it down!

I feel for ya man
My kids mean the world to me
I cant begin to imagine the turmoil you must feel

 

Man I'm really sorry to hear about that. I've always thought it was f'ed up that men can't really have much of a say in that situation.

 

rangerscott....there is nothing about having a child that stops you from bettering yourself or your spouse doing so...THE ONLY THING THAT STOPS YOU IN YOUR LIFE IS YOU!!! I say this coming from a family that was originally on welfare...my father now owns his own home remodeling company and my mother was a manager at fed-ex until she got injured....all the while raising a child....nothing stops those who are determined to get what they want

 

 

and her ****ing mom calls me saying "you will be receiving PFA papers tomorrow"...

 

17???? she hasnt began to live and you want to force her to bring another child into the world when she is still a child herself. you cannot blame her. how old are you?

 

i'm 20, i'm not trying to force her to do anything she doesn't want to....like i said..todays society has assumed the role of God within itself....which is a fatal mistake for humanity as a whole.

I would take complete and total custody of the child after it was born if that meant he/she would live...having a child IS NOT the end of someones life, it is just the beginning....of a very beautiful thing

 

I'd love to hear you explain how something as microscopic as a cell has vastly coordinated superhighways within it, or a plethora of other things, without the existence of God, but that is better suited for a PM discussion

Lonewolf,
I cannot express my sorrow for your situation. I don't know what it's like to have something like this happen, but I've pondered the concept of children and how deep a parents love is MANY times. This is nothing to kill yourself over though. Think about this reasonably man. Killing yourself is the most selfish act you can do. (dont take this too harsh) So you feel bad. Yeah, killing yourself is really gonna solve that. Sure you might not feel anything anymore, but you gotta be prepared for what comes after dying. Not to mention the pain you would inflict not only on those that love you to measures you cannot comprehend, but also to your ex and her mom. They might be upset at you now, but they are misguided. If you killed yourself they would have the feeling that they caused it looming over their head, and no one deserves to think they caused someone to commit suicide.

Not only that, but think of how much is left in your life. If she doesnt get back with you, it will hurt (i recently went through a break up with a girl I fell in love with and it took me 6 months to get over her) but think of the joy you will have when you find the woman who will stay with you, and will mother your children, happily. Your life will be so full of joy simply being with that woman, then having children with her.

To be completely honest, I have to get on to you for doing this with a 16 year old, or however old she is. In NO WAY shape or form is a 16 year old mature enough to handle a serious relationship, let alone a child. Honestly she probably would have broken up with you eventually anyway, simply because she is not fully matured in mind and has a lot of new decisions and experiences awaiting her. That added to the fact that when women are stupid, theyre on the level of the mentally disabled.

Like others said, if you want this child that badly, FIGHT FOR IT WITH EVERY RESOURCE YOU HAVE. I personally and VERY against abortion, heck, I dont even like the morning after pill. I am apalled that people can consider abortion NOT taking life because it is a certain amount of time before the baby comes out of the womb. Maybe they say "it's not fully developed so it's all good" well who decides when life gains worth? What stage in developement says "this is a child, it's wrong to kill it now" if a underdeveloped baby isnt killing, then why isn't a 5 year old, 10 year old, hey they still have some developing left.

Give them guilt, not sorrow. Show them how wrong what they plan on doing is. If they go through with it, forget they exist, theyre scum if they do anyway. Be the bigger person, move on, live with experience.