help! new 2 this, need sum advice plz x
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help! new 2 this, need sum advice plz x
hi there, i hav my test in june, im lookin 4 a cbr 600 because iv been obsessed with them since i was a little girl. id appreciate any advice, be it critical or supportive, plz read on. im a 26 yr old geordie lass, finally finding myself in a possition where i can follow my dreams. i have all the enthusiasm,but lack of experience so would really appreciate any comments from sum1 who knows what theyre talkin about! is a cbr 600 the way to go 4 a 1st bike? im in england and doing mylessons and test on a 500, so the purchase i make is out of a 400 or 600. any advice is appreciated!!!
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Here's the problem you might run into. Your assuming since your practicing and testing on a 500 that a 600 won't be so different? A typical 500 is a v-twin not an inline four, and generally puts out about 50-60 horsepower at most. A modern 600 inline four puts out around 110-120 bhp, (f4i/rr). Then add in the fact that 600 sportbikes weigh less than most 500s and you have something over twice as powerful than what your practicing on, and lighter.
The simple answer is no. 600 CBRs are not good starter or first bikes, no 600 sportbike is, at all. No matter what some people will tell you, "I started on a 600, as long as your responsible and be careful they are ok." is something you'll prolly hear at some point, but it's bad advice, usually given by someone without alot of experience.
You should look for something in the ninja 250 or 500 range, maybe a suz gs500f or something even. But stay away from the 600 inline 4's till after put some time in on a bike.
Just my two cents. I'd rather see you become a long time rider than a statistic.
The simple answer is no. 600 CBRs are not good starter or first bikes, no 600 sportbike is, at all. No matter what some people will tell you, "I started on a 600, as long as your responsible and be careful they are ok." is something you'll prolly hear at some point, but it's bad advice, usually given by someone without alot of experience.
You should look for something in the ninja 250 or 500 range, maybe a suz gs500f or something even. But stay away from the 600 inline 4's till after put some time in on a bike.
Just my two cents. I'd rather see you become a long time rider than a statistic.
Last edited by Hangfire; 04-27-2009 at 12:27 AM.
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I would have to say that Hangfire is about 90% correct. The 600s now-a-days are little Rockets! But being an enthusiast as you are, you probably know quite a bit about them already and understand they require much respect and ability to control the power. I think, Personally, you could operate ANYTHING with proper clutch and throttle control, these bikes are not top fuel drag bikes, they are actually pretty smooth machines. I think you have to ask yourself,...How are you doing on the bike you are learning on? Are you smooth? Do you operate the clutch and throttle well? Do you understand how to brake smoothly and quickly if needed? And lets not forget shifting. Shifting is also important. Everything is important on a bike especially if your getting on a newer 600! Also being able to touch the ground comfortably. But something tells me you know all this already since it has been a Dream of yours. Do the research if you have not already.
As Hangfire recommended, a smaller bike would usually be preffered maybe for the first riding season. But I think it all rest on your ability. If you have ANY doubts at all, go smaller. But confidence in your ability can go a long way. And whatever you decide to do, just make sure you invest in all the protective gear. Gloves, jacket, helmet, etc.
Maybe you should get a hold of Juliet in this Forum. She just bought herself a brand new 600RR. She'll give you some good advice!
Good Luck with your test and choice!
As Hangfire recommended, a smaller bike would usually be preffered maybe for the first riding season. But I think it all rest on your ability. If you have ANY doubts at all, go smaller. But confidence in your ability can go a long way. And whatever you decide to do, just make sure you invest in all the protective gear. Gloves, jacket, helmet, etc.
Maybe you should get a hold of Juliet in this Forum. She just bought herself a brand new 600RR. She'll give you some good advice!
Good Luck with your test and choice!
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That a Girl, good for you. Some People have it, and some don't obviously. I guess my best advice would be to really learn how to use the brakes when you do get your bike and after putting on some miles get some confidence in leaning. The biggest problems, I think, with inexperienced riders is that they under-estimate how far they can lean the bike over and freeze going into some tight corners, be it slow or fast. I've done it myself many times when I had too much crap on my mind and shouldn't have been out riding cause you do need to be focused and aware of everything. But again, I'm not trying to discredit Hangfire, for most People...Smaller IS Smarter.
Just be careful, be smooth, be focused and you'll be fine!
Just be careful, be smooth, be focused and you'll be fine!
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/shrugs, no offense Draggin, but you have absolutely no way of knowing whether or not that girl is in any way fit or responsible enough to ride a 600 sportbike. She says she isn't, claims absolutely no experience in fact. You just told a total stranger who's skillset your completely unfamiliar with that a 6oo supersport would be a decent starter bike for her, since she's an "enthusiast". Sound like sound advice for her? Fact is she has absolutely zero real world riding experience of any kind and no experience whatsoever with sportbikes, from her own admission. The way you phrased your advice was basically, "Sure most wimps can't handle a 600 sportbike, but you don't sound like a wimp, your not a wimp are ya?"
And, "That a Girl, good for you. Some People have it, and some don't obviously." Lol, what kind of nonsense is that?
I'm not trying to restart the whole best starter bike debate or get you riled up, I actually like ya. But in all honesty I think you need to really consider your audience and what you truly know about them before you start handing out advice like that, if that girl hurts herself badly cause she's riding something she's not ready for, how are you going to feel? Keep in mind that she also likely weighs quite a bit less than us and her power to weight ratio on the bike will be biased even more towards holy s$%t fast and she has less weight to use to throw the bike around, a slim smaller woman starting on a 600 supersport is somewhat similiar to a regular sized guy starting on a liter bike.
With all respect, Hang.
And, "That a Girl, good for you. Some People have it, and some don't obviously." Lol, what kind of nonsense is that?
I'm not trying to restart the whole best starter bike debate or get you riled up, I actually like ya. But in all honesty I think you need to really consider your audience and what you truly know about them before you start handing out advice like that, if that girl hurts herself badly cause she's riding something she's not ready for, how are you going to feel? Keep in mind that she also likely weighs quite a bit less than us and her power to weight ratio on the bike will be biased even more towards holy s$%t fast and she has less weight to use to throw the bike around, a slim smaller woman starting on a 600 supersport is somewhat similiar to a regular sized guy starting on a liter bike.
With all respect, Hang.
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Well, some, not all, do have the ability to handle almost anything with common sense. She says shes been "Obsessed" with bikes, she wants to "Follow her dreams", sounds to me she knows a little bit ABOUT bikes and then, her "Instructor is telling her "She's a natural". A lack of experience doesn't meen she has the inability. I don't know why you think a 600 is unsafe for her? Yes the power is probably double that of a 500, but she doesn't need to use it all if she has GOOD throttle control which is why I said what I said, am I wrong?
I don't think what I said was "Non-sense" if she has all the gear including Leathers and has Faith in her ability. I mean **** she will get hurt just as quick on a 250 as she will a 600. I don't want to find out she just got out of the Hospital or worse, which is also why I suggested she get in touch with Juliet who just bought a new 600. That way Jules can tell her if it's too much bike for her or not ya know? I also suggested that if she has any doubt to just go smaller as YOU suggested.
But look, she's got 2 opinions so far, it's up to her to realize her own ability after learning on the 500 with her instructor. But your right, I don't know her, and I honestly hope she uses her head when making her decision. But I'm not going to automatically assume she can't handle a 600 when in my prior experience in showing both of my Sisters how to ride, my 6 year old Nephew how to ride (on a 2005 KX85), and a 2 and a half year old boy how to ride a pedal bike with NO training wheels, I don't believe I gave terrible advice. At least I really hope I didn't cause yeah...I would feel like a Piece O Sh-t!!!
I'll have to keep in touch with her to see how she made out! And if God forbid anything bad happen, I'll be the first to cross the pond to visit with Flowers for Her and a Bat for MY head!
I'm sure she, AS DO I, appreciate your concern, don't think I'm not though.
Much Respect Bro
I don't think what I said was "Non-sense" if she has all the gear including Leathers and has Faith in her ability. I mean **** she will get hurt just as quick on a 250 as she will a 600. I don't want to find out she just got out of the Hospital or worse, which is also why I suggested she get in touch with Juliet who just bought a new 600. That way Jules can tell her if it's too much bike for her or not ya know? I also suggested that if she has any doubt to just go smaller as YOU suggested.
But look, she's got 2 opinions so far, it's up to her to realize her own ability after learning on the 500 with her instructor. But your right, I don't know her, and I honestly hope she uses her head when making her decision. But I'm not going to automatically assume she can't handle a 600 when in my prior experience in showing both of my Sisters how to ride, my 6 year old Nephew how to ride (on a 2005 KX85), and a 2 and a half year old boy how to ride a pedal bike with NO training wheels, I don't believe I gave terrible advice. At least I really hope I didn't cause yeah...I would feel like a Piece O Sh-t!!!
I'll have to keep in touch with her to see how she made out! And if God forbid anything bad happen, I'll be the first to cross the pond to visit with Flowers for Her and a Bat for MY head!
I'm sure she, AS DO I, appreciate your concern, don't think I'm not though.
Much Respect Bro
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Regardless, she has both ends of the arguement, which is about as perfect a response as anyone could hope for when asking a question. Which one of our answers is right for her? Who knows, but at least she has both points of view and can make up her own mind.
Btw, this is how grown men are supposed to argue, respectfully.......even If I am right and your wrong Nah nah.. And noone taking too much offense at a bit of fun poked at eachother.
Oh and by the way, either way you go, best of luck Lara. Kinda hoping you do pick up the cbr just so we have another female pov around here. Could use more female riders to liven up the place and help keep the testosterone levels down some.
Last edited by Hangfire; 04-30-2009 at 02:26 PM.
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