harrasment form cops
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04-25-2008 | 12:31 PM
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RE: harrasment form cops
My fingers would fall off before i could finish typing all the times NYPD has pulled me over for unknown reasons wether in the cage or bike..
But one good one was just a couple weeks ago coming back from a bear mountain run on the bike, i was on the cross bronx expy in some heavy rush hour traffic. I was not splitting lanes (illegal in NY) I was minding my own in the middle lane, saw the left lane open up so i put my signal on then through out my hand signalng i was moving over, and 2 cars up in the middle lane was a unmarked cruiser who cut in front of me to the point i had to lock up my brakes and blocked both the left and middle lane... jumps out of his car and says " New York highway patrol, Shut the bike off, give me the key and walk it to the side" I do so and he says i stopped you because your Plate is illegaly mounted (he was in front of me) and unlit (mind you its still bright as day out) asks for my lis/reggy goes back to his car and makes me sit on the side of the road for about 30 mins. comes back and says "im not gonna write you anything today but we already had someone die today" wtf??
But one good one was just a couple weeks ago coming back from a bear mountain run on the bike, i was on the cross bronx expy in some heavy rush hour traffic. I was not splitting lanes (illegal in NY) I was minding my own in the middle lane, saw the left lane open up so i put my signal on then through out my hand signalng i was moving over, and 2 cars up in the middle lane was a unmarked cruiser who cut in front of me to the point i had to lock up my brakes and blocked both the left and middle lane... jumps out of his car and says " New York highway patrol, Shut the bike off, give me the key and walk it to the side" I do so and he says i stopped you because your Plate is illegaly mounted (he was in front of me) and unlit (mind you its still bright as day out) asks for my lis/reggy goes back to his car and makes me sit on the side of the road for about 30 mins. comes back and says "im not gonna write you anything today but we already had someone die today" wtf??
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04-25-2008 | 12:31 PM
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RE: harrasment form cops
Hey Marc - that's a good/spooky story! Never been on the receiving end of a felony stop, lol.
In any case, it's a great example of how, "reasonable suspicion" works. And in playing devils advocate (am I anything less, lol?), not everyone could make a distinction between an 1984 Escort and a 2002 Kia. If course we being gearheads laugh at that nonsense but just cause yer a cop doesn't mean you know the difference.
I do agree, however, that if more training was in place to accomodate those folks going into LE that had little background at least into the year make and model of common vehicles - that would probably cut down on unecessary stops and could help streamline searches... especially in incidents involving missing/kidnapped children.
A side note, a police officer doing his job will report the, "CYMBOL" of the vehicle prior to exiting his to approach the driver...
C - Color
Y - year
M - make
B - body
O - occupants
L- license
There's generally a lot that goes into stopping someone, let's not forget the racial profiling reports, some agencies even keep their own "citizen contact" logs seperate from racial profiling even though they are similar. Then there is the informational report the officer wil have to write, with ink. Giving his mileage before and after transporting a prisoner including current time of day.
Then when they get to booking they have to fill out the arrest report which includes a TON of information that either they have to get from their arrestee or the booking officer does - which the arrestee is almost always reluctant to give.
Then they have to bag and tag any evidence and fill out a chain of custody form - for each piece.
After all that is finished (can take up to a couple of hours), they get to clear with dispatch and go do it all over again.
Lol, anyone whos stuck around this far (
), the moral of the story is this...
Cops aren't always looking to arrest someone. You can tell a rookie cop from a veteran all day long simply because of that. Vets don't want to spend all their shift sitting in a stinky *** jail filing out paperwork onsome nonsensical charge when they could be out finding real criminals.
A rookie cop will do it everytime just to prove he has a gun and badge. Of course, there are always exceptions. I got lucky and had a 20 year vet explain this to me over the course of a couple of years. It made all the difference in the worldhow I handled business.
Too bad some of those other rookies don't have the same fortune, or should I say, too bad for the rest of us?
In any case, it's a great example of how, "reasonable suspicion" works. And in playing devils advocate (am I anything less, lol?), not everyone could make a distinction between an 1984 Escort and a 2002 Kia. If course we being gearheads laugh at that nonsense but just cause yer a cop doesn't mean you know the difference.
I do agree, however, that if more training was in place to accomodate those folks going into LE that had little background at least into the year make and model of common vehicles - that would probably cut down on unecessary stops and could help streamline searches... especially in incidents involving missing/kidnapped children.
A side note, a police officer doing his job will report the, "CYMBOL" of the vehicle prior to exiting his to approach the driver...
C - Color
Y - year
M - make
B - body
O - occupants
L- license
There's generally a lot that goes into stopping someone, let's not forget the racial profiling reports, some agencies even keep their own "citizen contact" logs seperate from racial profiling even though they are similar. Then there is the informational report the officer wil have to write, with ink. Giving his mileage before and after transporting a prisoner including current time of day.
Then when they get to booking they have to fill out the arrest report which includes a TON of information that either they have to get from their arrestee or the booking officer does - which the arrestee is almost always reluctant to give.
Then they have to bag and tag any evidence and fill out a chain of custody form - for each piece.
After all that is finished (can take up to a couple of hours), they get to clear with dispatch and go do it all over again.
Lol, anyone whos stuck around this far (
), the moral of the story is this...Cops aren't always looking to arrest someone. You can tell a rookie cop from a veteran all day long simply because of that. Vets don't want to spend all their shift sitting in a stinky *** jail filing out paperwork onsome nonsensical charge when they could be out finding real criminals.
A rookie cop will do it everytime just to prove he has a gun and badge. Of course, there are always exceptions. I got lucky and had a 20 year vet explain this to me over the course of a couple of years. It made all the difference in the worldhow I handled business.
Too bad some of those other rookies don't have the same fortune, or should I say, too bad for the rest of us?
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04-25-2008 | 12:37 PM
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RE: harrasment form cops
ORIGINAL: NY Erion929
My fingers would fall off before i could finish typing all the times NYPD has pulled me over for unknown reasons wether in the cage or bike..
But one good one was just a couple weeks ago coming back from a bear mountain run on the bike, i was on the cross bronx expy in some heavy rush hour traffic. I was not splitting lanes (illegal in NY) I was minding my own in the middle lane, saw the left lane open up so i put my signal on then through out my hand signalng i was moving over, and 2 cars up in the middle lane was a unmarked cruiser who cut in front of me to the point i had to lock up my brakes and blocked both the left and middle lane... jumps out of his car and says " New York highway patrol, Shut the bike off, give me the key and walk it to the side" I do so and he says i stopped you because your Plate is illegaly mounted (he was in front of me) and unlit (mind you its still bright as day out) asks for my lis/reggy goes back to his car and makes me sit on the side of the road for about 30 mins. comes back and says "im not gonna write you anything today but we already had someone die today" wtf??
My fingers would fall off before i could finish typing all the times NYPD has pulled me over for unknown reasons wether in the cage or bike..
But one good one was just a couple weeks ago coming back from a bear mountain run on the bike, i was on the cross bronx expy in some heavy rush hour traffic. I was not splitting lanes (illegal in NY) I was minding my own in the middle lane, saw the left lane open up so i put my signal on then through out my hand signalng i was moving over, and 2 cars up in the middle lane was a unmarked cruiser who cut in front of me to the point i had to lock up my brakes and blocked both the left and middle lane... jumps out of his car and says " New York highway patrol, Shut the bike off, give me the key and walk it to the side" I do so and he says i stopped you because your Plate is illegaly mounted (he was in front of me) and unlit (mind you its still bright as day out) asks for my lis/reggy goes back to his car and makes me sit on the side of the road for about 30 mins. comes back and says "im not gonna write you anything today but we already had someone die today" wtf??
Lol - yeah you guys got lots of people up there, I couldn't be a cop there. To be honest I was actually not the best cop (believe it or not
), my FTO and my Cpt. both said I was too leniant. They way I looked at it is this, I was ****head at one time too, so it was my job to try and recognize good people making bad choices and approach it from that route.
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04-25-2008 | 12:40 PM
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#18
04-25-2008 | 08:56 PM
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RE: harrasment form cops
ORIGINAL: KidCr3nshaw
Hey Marc - that's a good/spooky story! Never been on the receiving end of a felony stop, lol.
In any case, it's a great example of how, "reasonable suspicion" works. And in playing devils advocate (am I anything less, lol?), not everyone could make a distinction between an 1984 Escort and a 2002 Kia. If course we being gearheads laugh at that nonsense but just cause yer a cop doesn't mean you know the difference.
I do agree, however, that if more training was in place to accomodate those folks going into LE that had little background at least into the year make and model of common vehicles - that would probably cut down on unecessary stops and could help streamline searches... especially in incidents involving missing/kidnapped children.
A side note, a police officer doing his job will report the, "CYMBOL" of the vehicle prior to exiting his to approach the driver...
C - Color
Y - year
M - make
B - body
O - occupants
L- license
There's generally a lot that goes into stopping someone, let's not forget the racial profiling reports, some agencies even keep their own "citizen contact" logs seperate from racial profiling even though they are similar. Then there is the informational report the officer wil have to write, with ink. Giving his mileage before and after transporting a prisoner including current time of day.
Then when they get to booking they have to fill out the arrest report which includes a TON of information that either they have to get from their arrestee or the booking officer does - which the arrestee is almost always reluctant to give.
Then they have to bag and tag any evidence and fill out a chain of custody form - for each piece.
After all that is finished (can take up to a couple of hours), they get to clear with dispatch and go do it all over again.
Lol, anyone whos stuck around this far (), the moral of the story is this...
Cops aren't always looking to arrest someone. You can tell a rookie cop from a veteran all day long simply because of that. Vets don't want to spend all their shift sitting in a stinky *** jail filing out paperwork onsome nonsensical charge when they could be out finding real criminals.
A rookie cop will do it everytime just to prove he has a gun and badge. Of course, there are always exceptions. I got lucky and had a 20 year vet explain this to me over the course of a couple of years. It made all the difference in the worldhow I handled business.
Too bad some of those other rookies don't have the same fortune, or should I say, too bad for the rest of us?
Hey Marc - that's a good/spooky story! Never been on the receiving end of a felony stop, lol.
In any case, it's a great example of how, "reasonable suspicion" works. And in playing devils advocate (am I anything less, lol?), not everyone could make a distinction between an 1984 Escort and a 2002 Kia. If course we being gearheads laugh at that nonsense but just cause yer a cop doesn't mean you know the difference.
I do agree, however, that if more training was in place to accomodate those folks going into LE that had little background at least into the year make and model of common vehicles - that would probably cut down on unecessary stops and could help streamline searches... especially in incidents involving missing/kidnapped children.
A side note, a police officer doing his job will report the, "CYMBOL" of the vehicle prior to exiting his to approach the driver...
C - Color
Y - year
M - make
B - body
O - occupants
L- license
There's generally a lot that goes into stopping someone, let's not forget the racial profiling reports, some agencies even keep their own "citizen contact" logs seperate from racial profiling even though they are similar. Then there is the informational report the officer wil have to write, with ink. Giving his mileage before and after transporting a prisoner including current time of day.
Then when they get to booking they have to fill out the arrest report which includes a TON of information that either they have to get from their arrestee or the booking officer does - which the arrestee is almost always reluctant to give.
Then they have to bag and tag any evidence and fill out a chain of custody form - for each piece.
After all that is finished (can take up to a couple of hours), they get to clear with dispatch and go do it all over again.
Lol, anyone whos stuck around this far (
), the moral of the story is this...Cops aren't always looking to arrest someone. You can tell a rookie cop from a veteran all day long simply because of that. Vets don't want to spend all their shift sitting in a stinky *** jail filing out paperwork onsome nonsensical charge when they could be out finding real criminals.
A rookie cop will do it everytime just to prove he has a gun and badge. Of course, there are always exceptions. I got lucky and had a 20 year vet explain this to me over the course of a couple of years. It made all the difference in the worldhow I handled business.
Too bad some of those other rookies don't have the same fortune, or should I say, too bad for the rest of us?
#19
04-25-2008 | 08:59 PM
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RE: harrasment form cops
the way my agency does it is
Location
Tag
vehicle description (ie:year if known-older model-newer model, color, ect)
occupants
perhaps there was a lot of shiate the city management was getting for wrecklass bikes and the only description given was a black bike, guess what, you got a black bike and your getting pulled over.
huge difference btwn Probable Cause and Resonable suspicion as kid so grasefully essplaned! I dont see what the big deal is either. Sounds like two rookies (1st er 2nd year). Or they could have been playing the repeat game "so your just riding around ehhh" (supertroopers).
I got a friend that hasfound a reason to pull a bike over just to look atthe bike, for that reason only, too look at the bike.
on a side note - my department is approx 160 sworn officers and about 10-12 of us have jap bikes
Location
Tag
vehicle description (ie:year if known-older model-newer model, color, ect)
occupants
perhaps there was a lot of shiate the city management was getting for wrecklass bikes and the only description given was a black bike, guess what, you got a black bike and your getting pulled over.
huge difference btwn Probable Cause and Resonable suspicion as kid so grasefully essplaned! I dont see what the big deal is either. Sounds like two rookies (1st er 2nd year). Or they could have been playing the repeat game "so your just riding around ehhh" (supertroopers).
I got a friend that hasfound a reason to pull a bike over just to look atthe bike, for that reason only, too look at the bike.
on a side note - my department is approx 160 sworn officers and about 10-12 of us have jap bikes
#20
04-25-2008 | 10:29 PM
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RE: harrasment form cops
I think you jumped ahead when you said it was harrassment. They let him go w/o the write up for the tags. You even said they were polite. I don't blame them for stopping the bike. Cops have to be suspicious. Nothing was wrong here...don't make cops look bad if they're just doing their jobs.